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[–] NewDark@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Yeah, being a US vassal tends to be detrimental in the long run.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 8 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

It may be dangerous to be America's enemy but it is deadly to be their ally

- Henry Kissinger (paraphrased)

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago

Ukraine has kept bombing Russian refineries regardless of what the US says. Good for them.

[–] protist@retrofed.com 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Ukraine is far from a US vassal state, they also have Europe on their side and have developed domestic military power beyond anyone's imagination in 2022. They haven't been listening to Trump at all

[–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 5 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (3 children)

Ahh yes, Europe, famously not just an extension of US foreign policy. Its not like the US has spent decades shaping politics in Europe through things like Operation Gladio. Its not as if most of the European nations house American military bases or support the US in all its insane foreign involvements. Its not as if Europe is just spitting billions to Israel. Yeah Europe is totally a separate entity from the US, and with the destruction of Nord Stream 2 its not like the Europeans are reliant on US LNG. Or, you know, the slow devolution of German industry certainty doesn't envelop Europe under the American curtain even more.
You're naive if you dont consider the majority of European countries to be little more than US proxies.

Charles de Gaulle was right about the atlanticists.

And Ukraine has been a US playground since 2014, do you not read up on foreign policy before discussing it? Both Trump and Viden have had massive corruption scandals tied to Ukraine. The Ukrainian post-coup government was hand-picked by the US, there's even leaked conversations of the picking being done.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Charles de Gaulle was right about the atlanticists.

I have strong negative feelings about Gaulle but he had balls I'll give him that

[–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 15 hours ago

Me too, but I can't disagree with him about the anglos or on what he said about China.

[–] BlaestEgnen@feddit.dk -5 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

The Ukrainian post-coup government was hand-picked by the US, there's even leaked conversations of the picking being done.

Right wing national groups, famously large ultras were just way better organised than any other group in Ukraine.

That's the very short conclusion, for why the initial cabinet was full on nationalists.

[–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 9 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Sure. That, and the fact that the cabinet was hand-picked by the US, as was shown through leaked phone calls.

Besides that another question one might ask is "Why were the right wing militias so much better supplied and organised?"

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world -1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

You missed the part where the Viden one was all projection and made up.

[–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 4 points 15 hours ago

As far as I can tell Hunter Biden did have some do-nothing job in the Ukrainian energy sector. Whether or not the specifics of the case were enough for the courts to act doesn't really matter all that much to me. These two cases are also just handy examples to use when one wishes to point out that Ukraine, after 2014, was the US's playground.

[–] NewDark@lemmy.today 3 points 21 hours ago

Cute that you think Europe isnt also vassalized too.