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[–] Rubanski@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

I am quite deep into repairing Oldtimer motorcycles, so I know a bit about repairing vehicles. I'm quite interested, what could be the reason for this warning to appear? Blown out head gaskets? Stuck valves? Broken sync chain? What sensors are responsible for triggering that warning?

[–] bl4ckp1xx13@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

For modern cars, when the manufacturer wants a little extra for this month's performance review so you you gotta take it to the first-party garage as everything is VIN locked.

[–] Rubanski@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

VIN locked, means the actual problem is behind proprietary software that is only readable via company issued computers?

[–] boonhet@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Haven't actually seen a car that's vin locked myself, except engine and transmission control modules on some cars. You'd have to find someone with tools to write the ECU if you want to swap in a used control module in those cases.

In general, good generic scan tools and even some mobile apps will get you the fault codes from most modules of most modern cars. What they might not support is coding a new module (it needs to know the options equipped on the car to know how to actuate things) or calibrating new sensors, but often times you can still do that too. There are also marque-specific aftermarket solutions. For example, VCDS gets you fault codes, live data, adaptations, tests, coding for most VAG models other than Porsches. In the expensive version (still in the hundreds price wise, not thousands) you even get some limited Lamborghini support.

Also anything that triggers this particular light should come up with a standard OBD2/E-OBD scan you can perform with a 5 dollar dongle off aliexpress and any free OBD2 app.

Don't ever buy a John Deere tractor though. Those things have VIN locked parts all around. Tons of things need marrying to the tractor if replaced.

[–] bl4ckp1xx13@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Yes, basically artificial firmware barriers that prevent you or a third-party attempting aftermarket repairs.

It's a genuine problem for those in rural areas that depend on their machines, farmers typically avoid newer tractors because of this, John Deere is especially bad for it.

[–] Rubanski@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 week ago

Yeah, I heard John Deere is absolutely terrible concerning self repairs. Still too many farmers celebrate the brand and brag with their "Mercedes of tractors"

[–] boonhet@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

Anything that affects emissions has to trigger it. Even a loose gas tank cap I believe. Other than that, the manufacturer may choose to trigger it on any number of powertrain issues, depending on what they have sensors for.

[–] Kintarian@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago
[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The un-conspiracy-pilled response:

The CEL (Check Engine Light) comes on when the engine computer detects an error in the data from one or more of the engine's sensors. It can be something as simple as the engine is stalled, or you forgot to tighten your fuel cap, and it can be something as severe as engine knock/misfire (typically the light flashes at that time), catalytic converter meltdown, or some other major hardware failure. Use any scan tool to check the codes, then lookup the codes to see what they are. It'll give you a good idea of what is wrong with the car. Sometimes its a corroded sensor wire, sometimes the sensor has gone and disintegrated itself, sometimes there is a hardware failure in the engine and the sensor data is abnormal because of it. Use the Torque app and a cheap obd2 reader compatible with your car, or a dedicated code reader / scan tool from the auto parts store. You can also reset the light with the tool, but if there is an actual problem it will show up again after a bit.

[–] Rubanski@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 week ago

Thanks for the insight! Makes a lot of sense, especially the sensor wire degradation. Salty snow slushy gnawing through the wire assembly. And if the sensor data is freely readable, that's pretty useful to have error codes. I know I intentionally bought a motherboard with the little error code indicator for exactly that reason