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Donald Trump's bruising return to the White House has sent many longtime foreign allies scrambling to get their distance, and according to a new piece from The Atlantic, that distance will last long after Trump is gone.

Trump's second term as president has been marked by notable and widespread disrespect toward nations once seen as close U.S. allies. Between his attempts to level massive tariffs against nearly every nation in the world and his frequent breaches of diplomatic norms, Trump has created a hostile global environment in which allies no longer feel safe trusting in the stability of the U.S.

In a new piece for The Atlantic on Tuesday, staff writer Vivian Salama argued that this new dynamic, in which the nations of the world are working to establish a safe distance from the U.S., is bound to become the new normal for years to come, even after Trump leaves office and is potentially replaced by a more traditional, dependable administration.

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[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (3 children)

"Long after Trump is gone" isn't the same as permanent. Just sayin'.

[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 47 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Trump is a symptom, not the cause. It’s permanent.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 2 days ago

he would be considered a complication of a disease.

[–] Kyrias@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Until a civil war cleans it all up.

[–] WWV@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Ha, all the shit that has been done in less than 2 years and not one fucking peep. Americans have proven far too lazy to expect anything other what they have done so far. This is only the beginning of the new Amerikkka.

[–] froh42@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Nah, going where the US is, that has definitely not happened in the last two years. I don't remember the US before Reagan, but Republican governments have been walking into the MAGA direction ever since. It's just Trump who's the current symptom. All this is a trend that was followed for about half of a century.

[–] WWV@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm afraid you, like Amerikkkans, are fooling yourselves. The toothpaste isn't going back in that tube and the world will never trust the US again. Everyone with a sense of reality outside of the US can see the country is collapsing financially and morally. 25 - 50 years tops. It's about to start to get really ugly.

[–] froh42@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You have not read what I wrote, it seems.

I no word I said something that someone would trust the US again.

Just the process that started it, is one that is already on its way for 40 to 50 years today. So, yes, I also think the US are collapsing like (for example) the large British Empire once did.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world -2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

What's it like, blindly hating 350 million people you'll never meet? It must be exhausting.

[–] WWV@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Ok patriot. Little less yankee doodle dandy, and a bit more humility would serve you and your countrymen well. Be well.

[–] Cheebus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

i’m sure your country is a bastion of good policy and decisions, with a spotless record

if you’re gunna cast stones be sure you don’t live in a glass house

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

The two states of being: bigot or patriot. Got it. Thanks for clearing that up. Continue with your hatred

[–] JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 days ago

What county do you live in?

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago

Ha, yet another two week old account.

[–] Squirrelknight@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago

Actually, it's quite freeing to look at this situation and just say "fuck em."

[–] BananaTrifleViolin@piefed.world 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is permanent. Trump has shown that the idea the US is stable and orderly is a lie. Instead, he got away with an attempted coup (albeit the coup itself didn't succeed), and has upended US foreign policy and relations without any restraint by congress and minimal restraint by the clearly partisan supreme court. He has shown that the US governmental system and constitution is far weaker than anyone could have believed.

Trump will be gone in a couple of years, but he has revealed that the US is always just one vote away from another capricious lunatic as president who can do a lot of damage in a short amount of time. There is also no guarantee that there won't be another attempted coup in 2 years time without legal consequence should the republicans not like losing the White House. Countries can't rely on the word of the US now. Even if the next president is reasonable and tries to restore the old order, the damage is done and countries are going to be hedging their bets, always thinking "but what happens when the next Trump comes along?".

The big loser is the US - countries deferred to US wishes in many things and allowed US businesses access to their markets, in no small part because it was seen as an exchange for the peace and security the US hegemony provided.

The only fix to restore confidence would be serious reform in the US and it is very clear that is not going to happen. Congress is permanently divided between 2 parties that hold up the status quo in the US. There is no realistic prospect of constitutional reform, with no party likely to get a 2/3rds majority, and even if they did get a majority it is clear there is no real political understanding in the US about the actual problems it is facing.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

That is assuming Republicans lose the White House.

I'm pretty sure social media is going to rig the election for Vance. Not illegally, but just by tipping the algorithms everyone is now addicted to, and by flooding the zone with LLM spam.

[–] Junkers_Klunker@feddit.dk 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Nothing is permanent if the timespan is long enough, but given most governments don’t look much past next election it might as well be.

[–] BananaTrifleViolin@piefed.world 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is permanent in the sense that Trump has revealed the US constitution is a paper tiger and the US is run at the whim of the President. He has shown how weak the US governmental and legal system is, with one lunatic able to cause global chaos relatively unrestrained. Even when decisions are eventually undone by the courts, the damage has already been done and the President can just try a different route to the same goal.

That can't be undone by time; it needs serious reform in the US. Going forward, even if there is a reasonable president, all the US allies will now hedge their bets and will no longer want to be over reliant on the US. The US will always be regarded as unreliable now as it is effectively always just one election away from another potential Trump.

[–] Junkers_Klunker@feddit.dk 1 points 1 day ago

You’ve got a great point, the USA has definitely lost much if not all credibility for a long long time.