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[–] geekwithsoul@piefed.social 108 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Using AI. Aside from all its ethical, environmental, and legal issues, I've been shocked to see the cognitive decline in folks using AI regularly. Not only do they forget how to do things like write on their own or do Internet searches by themselves, they even lose higher skills they've spent years acquiring.

Was talking with a developer the other day, and he said he'd almost had a panic attack recently when trying to do something during a recent outage when he was trying to code something relatively simple and couldn't even think about where to begin. He said he'd cut back after that, but honestly not sure he will. Every frequent AI user I know seems to be on a junkie trajectory and unable to cope when their supply gets interrupted.

[–] phanto@lemmy.ca 36 points 2 days ago (2 children)

What irritates the ever loving crap out of me is that all the search engines have gotten so bad that you have to use AI to get the answers now... And..! AI scrapers are so hard on bandwidth and servers housing that all the old how-to tech blogs by actual smart people have packed their bags and left. I used to find loads of great self hosting guides by doing a Google search for "Proxmox npm setup guide" and clicking one of the top three results. Now: sponsored, slop, slop, shilling paid product, old Reddit post, etc.

[–] geekwithsoul@piefed.social 24 points 2 days ago

Yeah, it's not perfect, but I've taken to using https://noai.duckduckgo.com/ - it's not as good as Google used to be, but it's pretty functional for most things

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 5 points 1 day ago

Yes, was just about to say this. Whether intentional or "happy side effect" for them, search engines are awful now.

If there's one use of AI I actually appreciate and wish could be done more ethically, it's the ability to skim and summarize a whole ton of disparate forum posts about ultra niche technical stuff.

(As in, I don't gotta follow the whole irrelevant back and forth to post 344 which was a reply to post 35 that actually has a nugget of actionable advice.)

I like not having 80 browser tabs open trying to solve one small problem.

But then, that also discourages forum discussion, which was already being suffocated by Discord...so that really sucks. :(

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 29 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The latest PISA study shows that students who heavily use LLMs are a full year behind their fellows who don't.

[–] ricdeh@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

This overstates the findings by a lot, and borders on misinformation.

How AI use relates to student performance is complex, varying with how students use it and what for. PISA data show that students who use AI for specific schoolwork tasks, such as summarising texts, drafting or conducting research, attain lower scores in science than students who do not use AI. In these scenarios, students who do not use AI outperform those who do, on average, by around 20 points – equivalent to being around one year of schooling ahead of their peers. However, weekly users of AI for general purposes have similar performance outcomes to non-users. Students who regularly use AI for general purposes, and have learning opportunities at school to develop AI literacy skills, tend to have slightly higher scores in science. However, these opportunities are more common among socio-economically advantaged students, risking a growing AI divide.

URL to OECD Summary

Edit: I concede that "heavily use" exonerates you, but your comment still feels a little disingenuous to me.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 8 points 2 days ago

my bro in tech was doing this quite alot, and he was depending on it to answer every question, and it wasnt giving him useful answers. i dont know if vibe codes with it. i think alot people who had been laid off has been have developed a dependancy on it.

[–] Fallibilist@feddit.uk 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

As a heavy AI user I wonder if there's a difference in how it affects people who can literally have the AI do some amount of their actual work for them compared to a tradesperson like myself who can only rely on it (to a certain degree) for instructions but it won't hang drywall for me or replace a faucet. I still have to do the actual work myself. The AI is just a tool.

Here's a pretty typical question I ask it. I can't really see how that is cognitively detrimental to me nor how I would even google that, and why.

spoiler

[–] JadedBlueEyes@programming.dev 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Even reading that (atrocious) output is going to influence how you write and speak, because humans learn language via mirroring and imitation. Taking the output as truth also means you are trusting something that is unreliable and easy to influence (I know many companies are deliberately writing to manipulate LLM output).

[–] Fallibilist@feddit.uk 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What's so atrocious about it?

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

There are a lot of weird phrasings that indicate it's not being rigorous with the concepts.

skin that is allowed to sit on it

"Allowed" is odd phrasing. Some nebulous entity isn't allowing it, and "allowed" is too passive; it sitting on top of the wet layer is the whole point. If it's necessary to expand beyond just "it sits on top" the extra info should be specifying why, otherwise just drop the "allowed" part.

The solvent leaves.

Classic AI hedging by using a disconnected and anthropomorphised phrase. Something like "The solvent evaporates, leaving the greasy oil and wax mixture to [...whatever]" would make more sense.

a lot more solids

Than what?

Its solvent leaves

A bit more connected than last time. Still not great phrasing.

That skin is the stone-chip coat.

What stone-chip coat? Is this something well-known I don't know about or is it trying to describe some property here?

it is not trying to be a second ML.

It was never said or implied that it was?

etc.

[–] pieberry@lemmy.today 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In that case, you are asking it a question you don't know the answer to, and the answer could be wrong. You might have the knowledge to know when the output isn't factual and reprompt it, or you may not always know when the output isn't factual; the potential detriment to you probably isn't so much cognitive, it's potentially wasting your time, money, supplies and labor on an incorrect answer, or worse, leaving the customer to deal with bad service or worksmanship from an incorrect answer.

[–] Fallibilist@feddit.uk 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Sure, but the starting point is that I already don't know something and need to look it up one way or another. Yes, the AI answer might be wrong but the guy on the YouTube video or online forum could equally be wrong. That is not something unique to AI.

I'm also obviously not just blindly trusting what it says. When it recommends me a product for example I don't just go buy it without a question. The AI is just pointing me to the hopefully right direction for me to figure it out but the ultimate decision still remains mine.

A good recent example:
"I need to paint plywood that gets wet regularly, should I use paint A or paint B?"
"Neither, you should use paint C"
*Looks up paint C*
"Yes, I definitely should use paint C"

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

The guy on the YouTube video or online forum will more like have comments stating they are wrong if their information is incorrect. The AI will keep insisting it is correct even if pushed.

[–] autriyo@feddit.org 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That feels like a reasonable use of ai.

Sure, you could go searching for all that info manually, but it would take a decent chunk of time, so you probably wouldn't have bothered...

[–] Zarobi@aussie.zone 4 points 2 days ago

Always feels like "reasonable use of A.I." is kind of vague and hard to understand for most people. Since it can somewhat follow instructions I wonder if it makes sense to force it to be used in a reasonable way? Like instead of putting the blame on people for becoming brain dead, why not tell the LLM "if someone asks you do to all the work for them, say no" or something

[–] fluffy_cloud@piefed.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Every powerful technology brings with it the risk of atrophy. Cars, processed foods, language.

[–] onipa@feddit.org 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] fluffy_cloud@piefed.world 1 points 2 days ago

it's often taken as a substitute for real experience.