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For me it's time signatures in music. I grew up playing instruments, played in several orchestras, etc. But no matter how many times someone tries to explain time signatures to me, it makes no sense. I don't understand why people place such importance on it. To me, notes have a pitch and a duration, maybe some dynamics. That's it. I don't understand why people try to needlessly complicate it. It doesn't give you anything.

My wife will hear a song and go "Oh neat, it's in 5/8." And I'm like "How tf do you know that, and why does it matter?"

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[–] moondoggie@lemmy.world 48 points 1 week ago (5 children)

To me, notes have a pitch and a duration, maybe some dynamics.

That could be part of the problem: time signatures aren’t a property of the notes, they’re a property of the song. The time signature is the rhythm and flow of the music. If you try to do a waltz in 4/4, it’s probably not going to sound like a waltz unless you do some really screwy things.

Plus, knowing the time signature helps you figure out why that guy is waving his stick like that while you’re playing.

So, the original Mission Impossible theme tune is in 5/4. When U2 re-did it for the 1996 Tom Cruise film, the beginning is in 5/4, and then they transition to a slower 4/4. For most of the "Dee da duuuuuuuuuuuh" sections, as far as I can tell it's just a beat shorter, but the tempo is lower, when they do reprise the Dun! Dun! Da Da! section they use two measures, 8 beats, making it dun dun dun dun da da.

Fun fact: The original dun dun da da was supposed to be "MI" in morse code. --.. dash dash dot dot, with a dash being a beat and a half, a dot being one beat, five beats total. U2 turned it into MMI. ----..

[–] theherk@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I give you those “screwy things”. Somebody stripped the fifth beats from Brubeck’s magnum opus, and made the most waltz sounding 4 I’ve ever heard.

Take Four

[–] moondoggie@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

It’s funny how stripping out the fourth beat just sounds like a band who doesn’t quite know how Take 5 goes and they’re just winging it: https://youtu.be/t3u8GwMlJaw

[–] dihutenosa@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago

Wow, this sounded amazing!

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Interesting how the 4 is kind of ghosted

[–] Akasazh@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago

Comment so I can find this later

[–] SorryImLate@piefed.social 5 points 1 week ago

This. I'm not a musician but have learned many types of dance and the time signature is key for dancing. Maybe it would help OP to do a beginner dance class, to learn time signature in a different context.

[–] LouNeko@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Metallica's Nothing Else Matters is a walz and you can't convince me otherwise.

I'm pretty sure it is in 6/8.

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You could write in triplets in 4/4.

[–] executivechimp@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Anything can be in 4/4 if you count hard enough.

[–] emb@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That really bothered me at first! Kept thinking 'why ever have a different time sig? No need for 13/8 (or whatever) when you can just sprinkle in double dotted 16th notes tied to 8th note (or whatever).'

Over time I slowly realized that it's not about technically being able to write it, but rather describing what usually happens. (Tho I still don't really understand, intuit, or hear any of it well.)