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Your whole point assumes a person can only reflect and grow at the end of the day and in a sober state. It's completely stupid.
Do you think a person who abuses/has made a habit of alcohol only drinks at night here and there? I was just giving an example, it wasn't an exhaustive list... Don't avoid the conclusion, even if you don't change your behaviour, it is what it is.
Do you think a person can't sit and reflect during lunch? Or confront moral truths while having a beer?
I'm not avoiding the conclusion, I'm saying you don't achieve it at all and your entire premise is riddled with assumptions and fallacies. You are far worse for my mental health than a beer, lol.
From another comment they made, they seem to be projecting their time as a "party boy" onto everyone else. It doesn't sound like they ever discussed moral philosophy over drinks which many have done.
I have been an academic and a degenerate and understand that truth lives in the grey areas—something they are incapable of or unwilling to understand. I took a peak at their history after reading your exchange with them and yeah, zero self-awareness.
"Avoid intoxicants for the negatives outweigh the positives" seems like a pretty reasonable statement to me.
LMFAO like you ever said it even slightly close to that
Well, no, I replied to a comment that already called alcohol a dangerous thing, I just expanded on it, talking about how it's not just the personal health risks but the social responsibility that should matter (if you don't die or have any serious complications from alcohol abuse but you change for the worse and act with no virtue, it's still an unnecessary fuck up, and continuing in it is a show of poor character).
But that was more of a direct citation from the Qur'an, and I'm not surprised that the word of God is more convincing/efficient than my own, which comes shaded by my own personality.
Ah yes the passages in the Koran claiming everyone is a shit human besides you.
I guess we got what we paid for, arguing with a "yappy monotheist".
I'll take a drunk who knows it's wrong over a religious person who knows they're right any day.
I'm stealing this, thank you very much :)
So agree!
Idk where you get that from but it's such an immature "way out". In this very thread I've talked about my own shortcomings, this just sounds like an expression of your insecurities. Ayayaya. Take care, detective.
The ability to read is all one needs to see that you are a judgmental hypocrite who has never seen a beer before.
It was funny to see these comments, like every comment you make on Lemmy, get dunked on to such an extreme degree though. Too bad there isn't "karma" on here, since you'd be so proud of your -117,000 score or whatever it would be. Maybe some day I can reach your level of genius, maturity, and humility.
Also funny that you repeatedly avoided my point about your religion specifically forbidding you from judging others but you're doing it constantly, dozens on comments that I've seen myself. You must just be iNsEcUrE.
My religion pretty much commands me to make moral judgements so I can act right (and the call for moral reflection is repeatedly mentioned in the Qur'an), and in this case I'm just sharing the conclusion of my moral questioning and also the word of God. I simply don't understand what this "judgement" you're talking about that you seem to dislike so much is all about. Is this a court? Do I have any power over you as a judge to send you to "silly jail" (like "horny jail" but for silly geese)? I'm expressing my opinion on a certain behaviour as the thread allowed for and you felt called out so you engaged in a defensive conversation. My man, I have no power over you, whatever "judgments" I'm making have no actual effect on you besides the ones you allow yourself to feel. I'm sorry if you disliked me saying "avoid X, it's not good for anyone" so much you felt persecuted or whatever but I'm not going against anything in my faith or my morality. If anything, I'm proselytizing, and you can judge my skill wanting and my approach somewhat counterproductive, and that would be fair, but it does not take away the moral fact(s) I was putting forward.
You gotta let go.
Your religion says not to judge other people. Cannot ramble your way around it.
I could go quote your many judgemental phrases or you could just stop pretending you didn't make them. I choose the latter.
Okay, let me elucidate:
"Indeed, God commands you to render trusts to whom they are due and when you judge between people to judge with justice. Excellent is that which God instructs you. Indeed, God is ever Hearing and Seeing." (4:58)
"Indeed, We have revealed to you the Book in truth so you may judge between the people by that which God has shown you. And do not be for the deceitful an advocate." (4:105)
"Believers, avoid being excessively suspicious, for some suspicion is a sin. Do not spy, nor backbite one another. Would any of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? You would surely detest it. Have fear of God. Surely God is much prone to accept repentance, is Most Compassionate." (49:12)
I can't recall any other verses I can easily copy paste here but judgement, whatever it means for you, is not forbidden. I mean, how could it be, how could you even teach your children to do right if you couldn't judge between right and wrong? And furthermore, could we have any sort of moral legal system if we couldn't judge good from evil? The Qur'an warns against too much suspicion (you gotta believe people are good at heart and have a bit of hope in humanity, I guess) and prohibits spying and backbiting, but I'm not doing any of those. I'm talking to you directly about something we disagree with, but one of us feels persecuted for it, that's all. If we talk again, assume that if I ignore whatever points you think you're making, it's because you didn't make them and I don't want to waste our time or make you look even sillier.
Several people told you that you're being judgemental and you slept on it and then still insist you weren't being. By your own logic, you did not self reflect, so you must have been drunk last night.
Very. 🥴
In a 15 second search engine session I found multiple Koran verses that say judging people is bad. And obviously from the Bible there is "judge not..".
I guess if nothing else you've illustrated perfectly why most people think religion is bullshit. You are trying to use it to hurt people while lying and saying it's to help them. The religious text that tells you not to do that is dismissed while the religious text you think helps you hurt people is super important and is shoved down other people's throats repeatedly.
In truth I don't think all religious people are toxic and impossible to deal with. But interactions like this are exactly why many people believe those things about religious people.