To try get back to the actual matter at hand. You put forth the assertion that voting allows Amerikans to choose who they are fighting. This is blatantly untrue as the democrats and republicans are not the top of the ladder but simply the mask or the orators of those truly at the tops will (the capitalists). In response to this being pointed out you've gone on many tangents to use as much leftspeak as you can muster to entirely miss the point and add nothing of value (likely because you cannot as what I pointed out is blatantly obvious to all those with eyes). I am not disparaging you I simply refuse to be pulled down these inane side tangents.

[+] zbyte64@awful.systems -9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

You can say they aren't really the "boss" but fact remains that voting shapes how the conflict plays out. Voting is choosing the quality of the boss fight.

But thank you for this. In the future I will say "boss fight" instead of "boss" to be more clear.

[–] gualudengren@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Voting is choosing the quality of the boss fight.

It really isn't. Did the Dems close Guantanamo? No. Did they defund the Police or ICE? No infact they oversaw record funding. Did they codify roe v wade? No. Did they do anything to slow or stop the foreign child crushing machine? No.

Pr is the only real difference and unfortunately pr is immaterial.

[+] zbyte64@awful.systems -8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

The party responds to those fighting in accordance to their PR. A dem will opt for more covert methods while the repubs will send the police to outright murder people in the streets and celebrate it. All the issues you listed are true, and that is why fighting is not optional.

[–] gualudengren@lemmy.ml 14 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

A dem will opt for more covert methods while the repubs will send the police to outright murder people in the streets and celebrate it.

Again an assertion that doesn't like up with reality. ICE (the modern Gestapo as many people know them) were no less funded or utilised under dems for example same with the police. They also oversaw and funded genocide. You are falling for the optics and believe just because they say the good things they must not be doing as many of the bad things and it's just not accurate.

[+] zbyte64@awful.systems -6 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Again, I never said the dems don't utilize the same forces. The critique is in how and to what degree. Surely there are plenty of libs for you to debate that you don't need to invent a strawman lib.

[–] gualudengren@lemmy.ml 11 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

See now you're backtracking. So they don't use more covert methods? They use the exact same methods and institutions just "less" (in your mind). But again this is an assertion without merit when you look at how funding for ICE and the militarisation of the police hit record levels under both administrations. So again we're back to you taking pr and a better controlled news cycle to be a tangible material difference that it simply isn't.

[+] zbyte64@awful.systems -7 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Where is the contradiction in saying the same institution can be directed to use or favor different methods?

[–] gualudengren@lemmy.ml 12 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

The fact that they plainly aren't? The police were still the police under Dems the same violent gangs brutalising whoever they liked and facing minimal (in reality effectively 0) repercussions. And ice was still ice Dems were more then happy to gloat about record deportations under their administrations, you think ice was suddenly politely asking people if they would like to leave under Dems, obviously not they were the same violent kidnappers putting kids in cages.

This is all not even mentioning the three letter agencies and their bipartisan escapades. (Abu gharib was not an abomination but the system working as intended)

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems -4 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I will just say my lived experience is they do in fact favor different methods. From my own daycare provider having a deportation clause to being on ICE watch to my brother in law being deported, the difference is stark.

[–] gualudengren@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 weeks ago

Yeah the difference is that after the years of buildup it's affecting you now so it's totally different. It's not you just didn't care until it started affecting your life.

[–] DudleyMason@lemmy.ml 11 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Lol, now we all know you've never been to a protest.

Every time I've ever been tear gassed for protesting, it was a Democrat who gave the orders.