Edit: I intentionally put "bad people" in the title in order to provoke. π
If you don't know what I'm talking about:
Black Mirror - Hated in the Nation
I'm not sure how to limit the scope of this discussion, since it touches upon so many areas of morale:
- the value of life
- the right to kill
- vengeance/revenge
- crime
- good and evil
So I encourage you to be articulate and to follow some structure: "what(thesis) - why(evidence) - what (thesis)". Other easy to follow variations, such as "why(background + evidence) - what(thesis)" or "what - why - what - by the way(discussion)" or just a simple "what" are of course good too. I'm not trying exclude comments, and I won't, just encouraging an easy to read discussion. As for me:
I would not kill using a Death Note, unless for some utterly personal vendetta. I would also not kill those that did, if we were talking about some sort of society wide phenomenon. I believe that taking action against human life on the macro scale, such as a nation state against another or such as one confined justice system against one of its subjects (state versus an individual, for instance) or in the fictive case of the above mentioned media, is wrong. This is because I don't believe it right to through politics or legislation qualify or quantify the value of a human life, such as is done in jurisdictions that allow capital punishment. While I'm against such "marco actions" on human life, I for some reason have less of a problem empathizing with the individual victims involved, which is to say, I don't think I'd rage against, say, a grieving mother avenging her murdered child by killing the murderer. But then again, not all individuals have the ability or the capacity to exact revenge and maybe they have to rely on their nation state for some kind of restitution? My opinion is probably logical mess, full of contradictions, but there it is. Feel free to poke holes, in a kind manner!
Of course it is. We are humans and we're doing the valuing. You'd be stupid to not value yourself above other life.
Not sure if you are being sarcastic or if you are arguing that human life is more valuable because you are human and therefore more valuable than all other life.
Not sure if you're sarcastic or if you're actually arguing that human lives are not more valuable than other animals.
Not sarcastic. I do not think that human life is more valuable than other life. Will I prioritize my own life over others? Yes, because I am selfish that way. Given the choice, will I choose a human life over the life of an animal? I honestly don't know.
Do you believe that human life is more valuable just because you are human and therfore believe that you are more valuable, or do you have other reasonings? What I am ultimately asking is, what do you think makes human life so special and superior to other life?
Than you're an insane person.
I mean, do you not see reality? It's quite obvious that we're quite special compared to other animals. For once, we have invented the whole civilisation thing ... I don't understand how this is even a question.
I know you're right but, if I was forced to write the names of 100 humans, or one of my cats? Get me a phone book.
Yeah I know what you mean. I'm talking baseline value with the benefit of the doubt here. There are definitely people that have forfeited that special status.
Since you begun the extremism by calling another commenter insane for their views, I will say it is an interesting view coming from somebody who is obviously hopelessly lost in the smell of their own farts.
Why does our ability to create a civilisation (which largely has only been to the benefit of our species compared to all others) makes the value of a human individual worth more compared to other living beings?
Your own explanation is hopelessly confused, since you are obviously trying to argue your self-admitted subjective opinion as objective fact.
We created civilization for ourselves. It was a selfish construct that many could argue has had a damaging impact on the world and other life on this planet. The only way I see that as evidence for human superiority over all other life is if you already believe that human life is superior, which gets us to a circular argument.
No, that is quite a narrow view to take.