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Gotten shot and killed by lowest-bidder wannabe cops, who faced zero consequences. And our wannabe dictator said there would be no consequences for killing protesters. The reality is living conditions aren’t bad enough yet for most people to be willing to risk that.
So as it turns out, violence and fear tactics do work…
I’ve often been surprised at how living in America is perceived by the world. I’ve met a lot of people from all over the world, and while some have actually spent enough time here to understand the good and the bad. The rest who have not seem to believe in the shiny veneer that we export in our movies and television.
We are absolute wage slaves here. We are one missed paycheck from homelessness. But sure, blame the slaves for not overthrowing their owners.
I want you to say this same line to a Haitian person in 1804. Or to a Cuban person in 1959. Or to a Russian person in 1918
The amercans indeed are not the healthiest or best paid of all wage slaves om planet Earth today....but their access to spec ops knowledge and to weapons would put most of the world to shame. Heck the average american could put a Hatian person in 1804 or a Cuban pwrson in 1959 to shame with the access to shit they have....and yet....these americans never want to anything about their slavery. 😂🤣
I guess this must be what the americans want seeing as how they never want to substantiate any substantial changes to improve their lives and the lives of others who their mercenaries are currently blowing up as I type this 🤷🏿♂️
I dont understand the logic though so please help me here. I have lived in the US and do have a good idea of how shitty things are (or were even back then). Things will not improve by inaction and are objectively getting worse. So yes, you risk a lot by acting but if you dont your life will continue to get worse and you'll end up homeless anyway. Or worse.
No one is coming to save you. You live in the most powerful country in the world. Nobody is going to come in and liberate you. Your only option is to save yourself.
Nobody is claiming it will be easy, simple, or clean. But what other option is left? This is why the rest of us are baffled. Especially since the US has built up the reputation of having a rebellious spirit. Where is that spirit now?
I can make this simple: would you be the first to step in front of the firing squad when you have no idea if others will join you in rushing it?
We are not a united people here.
Indeed you are correct.
AMD in 1954 Che Guevara actually came up with a speech that explained everything you need to know about the current americans' 'rebellious spirit' https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-H5m_BeJoQA&pp=ygUkd2h5IGFtZXJpY2FucyBkbyBub3RoaW5nIGJhZGVtcGFuYWRh0gcJCTAMAYcqIYzv.
(Im going to add that Im baffled that Many people think that wearing a fucking costume is rebellious enough to substantiate any aubstantial positive changes.... WTF?!)
This might be it, because you do pay change for the better with blood, the history is filled with it. The army is brought in, it goes overboard and they open fire on protesters, in every country everywhere throughout history, before people realise what's happening.
Good luck Americans, this seems to be your turn.
I know that. No one is saying you as an individual need to do this right now. We are saying you need to organize. I think this is a cultural misunderstanding.
When I say 'you' I am not referring to an individual. Im referring to you as a people. Maybe that misunderstanding is evidence of the hyper individualism your country has subtly snuck into your lives that prevents you (again a collective you) from doing so.
What did you think I meant by, “we are not a united people”?
You can’t organize peace with people who idealize a fascist society
I mean sure, ignore the protests from earlier this year where millions turned out across the nation, but sure..
You dont need everyone to mount a resistance. Why does it have to be all or nothing? And who said you had to organize peace with fascists?
You need enough, and we don’t even have that.
Come live here for a while and then tell me how easy it is.
I have lived there. Ive been involved in community action during the first administration. If you believe its impossible, youve already lost.
So you could have stayed and fought... but you left and are now yelling from the sidelines.
I agree with a lot of your points, but it rings a bit disingenuous coming from someone who threw in the towel.
exactly bro.
The fascists N.E.V.E.R. throw in the towel.
We all must be as willing to be unrelenting like them.
I moved back because my family is here. What the fuck are you on about? It had fuck all to do with Trump. I moved back during Biden. Are you seriously upset because I wanted to be with my family?
Stop being a cunt.
I’ll add to what Valmond said.
Not once did you advocate for a violent solution. You’re right, it’s either nothing or an extreme with these people, and excuses at every point.
They have enough to do a national peaceful shutdown. 60% in the urban areas for two weeks, which is hardly enough time to starve or be evicted, and at those numbers after it’s done, it’ll be impossible to replace that many jobs or go through with the evictions.
You’re right. Churchill was right, let them pile on…if they showed this much unity piling on the way they do to the mirror across social networks toward a national shutdown, solving their problems and voting for fucks sake, they’d solve this.
If they turned out to vote at 80-90% all the time, there’d be daylight between them and the current best performing democracies in the world.
Can you ELI5 all of that cause Im lost , sorry .
Well said, thank you. I put these opinions forward knowing theyll be unpopular but if even the smallest seed can be planted from it its a success in my book.
I dont mind being piled on. People need to hear hard things even if it makes them angry and lash out.
Not upset with you at all, nor do I blame you for wanting to be with your family. Just as I don't blame the many Americans who are prioritizing the immediate needs of their families.
But you are giving yourself the grace and understanding that you have repeatedly refused to give to others.
Call me a cunt, get offended, run with "the only moral excuse is my excuse" narrative all you want. But it would do you some good to realize your reasons to move are not so different from the people you are condemning.
You draw a lot of anger here in the thread it seems, but you're correct IMO.
Cheers.
They are, and more of us need to get behind these commenters when the Americans pile on them.
"Of course I have a valid reason for inaction, but what about the 330 million other people? Surely everyone else's lives are disposable?"
Pretty much hust this↑
Thank you.
I never said impossible. I was also involved in a lot of community action during Trump’s first admin.
See how far that got us?
Yeah, because they're all too busy enacting fascism in their own country to do anything about the growing US threat except lick boots. Save us? Lmao you better be thinking about saving yourself once the consequences start rolling in.
Seriously. The global ultra rich are all working from the same basic playbook. It’s just happening here first due to the extreme concentration of wealth.
Strategically, the best option other nations have to solve the American Problem is to prepare to weather the storm and let the country collapse by itself.
Historically what's going on now with the US is a pretty straightforward "fall of the Empire" scenario (the biggest Empires invariably fall from internal problems as the generations that created the Empire are replaced by generations which know nothing more than wealth extraction) and interfering with that is a great way to be targetted as a scapegoat by the falling empire's elites and suffer the side-effects of that empire's death throes.
Looking from the outside, even if Trump is stopped, the problem will at best be delayed since the other party of the Power Duopoly that controls America is also deeply corrupt and done their part in the decay of that country for the last couple of decades (by weakening unions, deregulating Finance, unconditionally saving big companies, having Financial and Economic policies which reward Rentierism above Work, and so on) - Trump is not the malaise that's killing America, he's a symptom of that malaise and removing him will not solve the problem, will not stop another one like him to take over in the future and will not alter the trendof decay, only the speed of it.
As for the idea that Fascism is taking over in other countries, well, the rest is well behind the US in it and it's exactly the point of the OP that people in other countries are already starting to push against it, well before it gets to the level seen in the US of jackboots (for the US that would be ICE) going around arbitrarilly arresting and even killing people.
Protests are not the only option, but when asked why Americans are not making meaningful resistance the argument always boils down to: We have protests! Or We can't protest!
Perhaps the most cursory look at why these actions are successful in different countries is worth a gander. It's not that France couldn't crush every protest with their military.
The difference is the US 100% will and won’t even apologize for it. Then the ~~state~~ oligarch run media will say they were “Terrorists”. Hell, the black lives matters protests in Oregon they spent weeks showing the “devastation” the protesters caused, it was like one square block and they had police dressing like protesters instigating the violence so they could disappear people.
Mainstream media are doing exactly the same in France and they all belong to, oh wait, some right wing billionaire.
It’s almost like someone somewhere is showing the user manual to the others.
Edit: It’s even worse than that. They are saying all the bad guys are extreme leftist from LFI (the most successful left party), gouvernement is somewhat implying the same and some officials even said they should remove this party from power and the upcoming presidential election. They are trying to make the opposition illegal and pave the way for the Fascist. It’s a fucking shit show, of course we need to riot and burn the system, that’s the only thing they are afraid of.
News are circling around the 3% (some are allegedly undercover cops, some are from fascist groups, and more ofc.) that break things, so yeah France is doing the same thing. No talk about why, only about that poor person that got their window smashed. 24/7.