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[–] Axolotl_cpp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

Oh cmon, now which email provider do i use?

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 1 points 1 hour ago

Any EU/Swiss-based provider that takes their job seriously, really. Here's a starting point.

Proton's encryption has always been more a publicity stunt than anything. A service that's really committed to privacy shows it in their values and the way they act, not with technological gimmicks.

All that Proton's encryption has really accomplished is that their services are one step away from complete customer lock-in: if they discontinue their "bridge" connectors tomorrow and force you to use their website and mobile app, and you haven't backed up your email elsewhere, you're fucked.

Migrating your email service to another provider should normally take one hour, provided you use your own domain(s) and back up your mailboxes regularly over IMAP to your own storage. Then it's just a matter of changing some DNS records and waiting for them to propagate.

So call me paranoid but I'll never use a provider that doesn't offer standard IMAP and SMTP access to the mailbox.

[–] originaltnavn@lemmy.zip 4 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

Start with buying your own domain.

If you are interested, self hosting email has an outdated bad reputation, I have had much more problems with google blocking microsoft email from custom domains than from self hosted emails.

That said, it is still a lot of work. For a hands off system, find a national provider that can use your domain, so you can switch later while retaining your address.

[–] kjo@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 7 minutes ago

Ain't no such thing as "buying domain".
Only renting.

[–] dasrael@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah, self-host ... then you end up on a VPS with a bad spam/RBL reputation because they have other customers being spammy dickheads, and their entire IP allocation is listed. This covers far too many VPS providers. So, when you're trying to simply get things done, you end up randomly having to troubleshoot your emails not going through or ending up in remote spam folders.

Its a mess. Email sucks. Wouldn't suggest self-hosting if you have low patience or are busy.

[–] AHemlocksLie@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 hours ago

I think the best option for self-hosters who don't want too much headache from their email is to host the email yourself, but send your emails through a relay other providers actually trust. It sucks to get so close to full control and give it up, but if you're like me, you send almost no email, so there's almost nothing at all to see for the relay, and all your received mail still comes straight to your server.

[–] rekabis@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

then you end up on a VPS with a bad spam/RBL reputation because they have other customers being spammy dickheads, and their entire IP allocation is listed.

Sure, if you don’t do your own research and legwork, first.

In fact, there are a shitton more bad corners you can paint yourself into if you are too fucking lazy to do some trivially basic research ahead of time, from hosts to software chosen to how you configure things.

Hell, a lot of these bad corners also involve turnkey solutions hosted by others. So simply having someone else do all the work can hose you just as badly. Sure, Azure/O365 or AWS Workmail or Google Workspace solutions are usually not that kind of corner, but unless you are willing to pay out the nose for minimal needs, you’re usually going to go for something a lot smaller and possibly more sketchy.

[–] reka@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)
[–] rekabis@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

The one thing that rubbed me the wrong way is that it treats the underlying host as “disposable”, in that it intentionally does not support in-place OS upgrades. As in, if you want to jump from an older LTS to the most recent, you need to explicitly spin up a blank, new LTS host, run the installation script from scratch, and then restore the data from an overnight backup.

I can understand an immutable container/binary with external data storage and config settings, but flipping the script and locking down the underlying OS? Yeah, that seems excessively unnecessary.

[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 0 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Self-host if you care about privacy and tech ethics, otherwise whatever seems most stable.

[–] Axolotl_cpp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Self hosting an email service is a pain in the ass since most providers will block your email or show it as spam

[–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 hours ago

Hasn't been my experience with a correct DKIM & DMARC setup.