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Why do they even like Mao so much? Dude was only good for helping them get the country. Literally nothing else.
Same reason Americans love George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and Adam Smith.
He's a Founding Father of the modern nation, a spiritual progenitor of their economic philosophy, and a guy with tons of media to play up as nostalgia bait for the Chinese equivalent MAGA nationalists.
You'll see Chinese nationalists leap to his defense the same way you see American nationalists get Big Mad when you talk about Jefferson raping his father-in-law's illegitimate slave daughter. Or reminding them why the White House is that color and under which President it happened.
I've never understood the stereotype that Americans idolize a bunch of old white guys from the 1700s.
Most people I know don't give a single shit about them, and the ones that do are very vocal about their dislike of them.
It's pretty widely accepted that they were all garbage human beings by today's standards.
If you mean Republicans idolizing them but only in specific circumstances that support bigoted worldviews, then sure.
Yeah, doesn’t look like you guys are beating the stereotype of supporting garbage people
What, because we haven't torn down a massive stone monument from 1941? The vast majority of us weren't even born when it was completed. Are you going to condemn Chinese people for not blowing up the Terracotta Army?
Remind me, do Germans have a national memorial park for Hitler?
Is it too much to ask them to not do that, if so?
You guys keep praising/worshipping rapists and pedophiles and maintain grand monuments dedicated to them.
That’s the problem I’m referring to.
Hitler sort of ruined Germany. As in, the country was literally in ruins at the end of his reign.
I would say idolizing pedophiles and rapists leads to moral ruin as well for the country, looking at current state of things in US.
Have you ever talked to a Texan, or anyone over 50?
Okay, makes sense.
He's meant to be a legendary figure.
There's kinda a large gap between Jefferson being a sexual predator and Mao allowing 25+ million people to starve in the great leap forward. Definitely feels like one requires ignoring a lot more in order to defend.
It wasn't as if he intentionally caused the famine.
There's abusing someone and owning slaves vs. accidentally shooting yourself in the leg, and by "yourself" I mean the whole country that you started.
No, but he did intentionally Sanction the murders of millions of people. Still wanna compare the two?
There's no winner in this battle.
I don't think I'd invite Jefferson or mao for dinner.
Or you know, place them in the hall of fame.
This sciencepo.fr article just retells the 100 million number again.
Adam Smith was an economist, he lived earlier than Marx, another highly regarded economist, did. Adam Smith wasn't a founding father of the 🇺🇲.
Adam Smith's "Wealth of Nations" was a direct rebuttal to the British merchantilist policies of the 1770s. It was released the year the Revolutionary War began and heavily influenced both the independent movements propaganda and the subsequent fiscal policies of the new governments.
The average Americans have never heard of Adam Smith.
And the ones that have studied him are aware that he was a critic of capitalism, not a proponent of it.
Going to have to see your homework on that one
Life expectancy doubled under Mao. Foot binding was ended. He was instrumental in the victory of China against Japanese imperialism. China rapidly industrialized under Mao. Without Mao, there certainly would have been someone else playing his historic role, but the important factor is that it was indeed Mao that led China to liberation and helped set in stone the modern prosperous China.
After a few hiccups.
The process began immediately:
Damn bro, I didn't know Mao was responsible for the worldwide improvements in medical science.
Those "worldwide improvements in medical science" would never have reached the rural Chinese peasants who had never had access to Western medicine at all, without the Barefoot Doctors Program, which you've never heard of.
ALL life expectancies rose because pencillin was popularized and mass produced in the 1940s