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I sort of get where he is coming from. AI has made shockingly fast rapid advances in being able to code. AI code should definitely be pentested, even if it's just with more AI.
There are many developers and tech privacy enthusiasts who hate AI coding for whatever reason, and I get his perspective. He just isn't being very strategic because he's acting like a normal CEO and not caring that much about emotional impact because he's in a leadership position, forgetting that a privacy-focused user base will not tolerate typical CEO behavior.
I already have real fears regarding Proton. What sort of privacy company doesn't accept Monero?????? What sort of privacy company uses US-based Zendesk which could be required to cooperate with a police state with a secret dragnet warrant???? Proton has a very active fraud/abuse detection system. Even if it is necessary, how could that be technically possible if messages are encrypted???
But we should also remember that if you are a poor person in a repressed regime, you can get free Proton services to help get you more access to information. They are very nice about that. Who made that choice so that a poor person in a poor country can get these services for free if they are poor? Andy Yen made that decision.
People make mistakes and if Andy Yen realizes he needs to be more emotionally intelligent and aware and tries to change, perhaps people should be willing to forgive him. Proton does a lot of good overall despite recent concerning behavior.
I will also add that it's concerning that their AI Lumo is integrated into so much potentially and it's not clear where the processing occurs, if the processing itself is encrypted during the processing, and what models are used. For example, if Lumo is using US-based company data centers in the US and the model has to be given unencrypted data to process, then in theory if there's a gag-order demand on the data center, all of that information can be extracted. I see very little information about that, which is concerning.
You're probably right that the reality of proton gray and not so black and white and they have done both good and bad but on pentesting vibe coded code with just more LLMs is wrong and probably why you got downvoted so much. You absolutely have to have a human expert involved in security, there is no alternative. Would you and your dearest family fly on a plane designed entirely by AI and checked exclusively by AI? I didn't think so. LLMs are still a great tool and an amazing second set of eyes but they can't be trusted
This is a good point. AI vibe-coded stuff that hasn't been pentested being pushed in a product promising security and privacy is genuinely terrible. Perhaps that one thing is so terrible it should rightfully overshadow everything else because of the risks involved.