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That's my reading of their recent post.

Here are their "full context" screenshots:

Do they not see that you're not supposed to talk in that tone to your employees, or anyone for that matter? There's no hint at respect, no "please do this for me" type requests. Just bossing around like an a-hole or like a bad parent you don't want in your life.

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[–] pglpm@lemmy.ca 40 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (2 children)

This reply (ADHenchD) was very to the point:

Appreciate you putting your name to this, but I've read the 404 article in full and most of this rebuts things it didn't actually say.

Also, toxic, abusive leadership is what I expected working hospitality at 18, when I didn't know any better than to put up with it. Seeing it at a company built on trust and privacy, and then blaming the leaker(s) for it, is quite a take.

Now on to the points..

Perception vs truth: 404 never claimed this was about code security. It gave the PQC/Tuta context, the same context you've posted. Your screenshot confirms the quote word for word, and it also confirms the part people actually object to: the CEO telling an employee to go on Reddit with their personal account to "set the record straight". Whether Proton did PQC better than Tuta is beside the point. Telling staff to post undisclosed from personal accounts is astroturfing, and that's what worries people about a company whose whole pitch is trust.

Pentesting: Nobody serious claimed Andy banned pentesting. The report says he called a request for a few days of testing before release "bullshit and loser thinking". The "baseline" line you say was omitted makes the same point: testing is fine as long as it doesn't slow anything down. Your own summary ("what he didn't agree to was it slowing down the pipeline") is basically 404's story. Also, in your screenshot that line sits under the "use AI more" message, so it's not obvious it refers to security testing at all. And another engineer in that same thread said security was low priority at the moment, which you don't mention.

git-ai: Overall fair that some viral posts overstated this, they often can with a situation like this...but 404 itself said it tracks how much AI code the company generates, not individuals. But a "non-goal" in a design doc is a clear intention, not a technical limit. And the same week, Andy told staff leadership already knew "more or less who is behind" ahead of the re-interviews. Also, re interviews? Come on man. That's some dystopian "double think" Orwell shit. We both know this.

Hiring: 404 printed the full quote, including the "what we used to call product managers" bit. The part that bothers me more is the same message predicting AI-written code that "humans will no longer be able to review".

Proton's own spokesperson didn't dispute any of the reporting, and Andy has since cancelled the re-interviews and admitted a communication failure. That's hard to square with "intentionally taken out of context".

I'm sure plenty of people there care about the mission. But that's a leadership problem, not a leaker problem. Don't blame someone for showing the truth man. This just comes across as the techbro version of blaming wikileaks for the uncovering all the dodgy stuff the US government was doing behind the scenes, rather than realising the government maybe shouldn't be doing those dodgy things.

Perhaps an extreme example but we are all passionate about proton, recommended proton and spend our time and money on Proton. We all want it to do well, which is why many people are voting with their wallets and being vocal about rather troubling things which have come to light.

[–] jtrek@startrek.website 38 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

testing is fine as long as it doesn’t slow anything down.

Insane position.

[–] pglpm@lemmy.ca 16 points 19 hours ago

Absolutely. It's typical of CEOs not to have any competence in what they manage... This is really over-incompetent though.

[–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 11 points 19 hours ago

"The code failed the tests but we're still not allowed to slow down the deployment"

[–] xtr0n@sh.itjust.works 11 points 16 hours ago

the CEO telling an employee to go on Reddit with their personal account to "set the record straight".

Note that in many contexts (i.e. publicly traded companies, companies owned by publicly traded companies) and jurisdictions, “setting the record straight” without disclosing one’s conflicts of interest would be fraud.

But I’m sure Andy is a smart, and careful leader who would get the lawyers to give careful guidance to employees on how to astroturf while staying within the bounds of the law.