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[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Social welfare is not socialism. And also, the only reason Scandinavian countries got social welfare was through massive civil unrest and threatening a worker’s revolution. The welfare was the compromise. They are still capitalist members of the imperial core who fund their welfare through exploitation of the global south.

Also, maybe read histories of the USSR and China that weren’t written by capitalists. They tend to lie about socialism, like a lot.

[–] tyo_ukko@sopuli.xyz 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Social welfare is not socialism

Frankly, I don't care about socialism. I care about free healthcare, education, welfare etc.

And also, the only reason Scandinavian countries got social welfare was through massive civil unrest and threatening a worker’s revolution.

Ok, let me educate you a bit here, as I'm actually from one of those countries. In Finland, there was a civil war in 1918 between the reds and the whites. The reds lost big time and the country went to pseudo-fascist mode for almost 2 decades. I'm saying pseudo-fascist, because there was a coup attempt to go full blown Nazi at around 1930. It failed.

During WW2 the country united against the USSR, as almost no one wanted to have any part of that disaster. After the war (and in fact also a bit before IIRC), everyone understood that leftist parties have to be allowed in politics to prevent another civil war, and so leftist policies started to enter legislation. You want to know why? People fucking voted. Now you're going to argue that the threat of the civil war was the key, but it only allowed the left to enter the game. After that people fucking voted. People need to fucking vote.

They are still capitalist members of the imperial core who fund their welfare through exploitation of the global south.

This is as tiring as having anyone slightly leftist in the US being called a communist. The USSR exploited the shit out of Eastern Europe, somehow that doesn't count because imperialism is a boogey man.

Also, maybe read histories of the USSR and China that weren’t written by capitalists. They tend to lie about socialism, like a lot.

Nah, I'd stick to something trustworthy. Did you know they had to smuggle information about gulags out of the USSR? Why? Because they didn't want to acknowledge them. I wonder how trustworthy their history writing is..

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

You are so steeped in propaganda that you refuse even to look at information outside of the capitalist bubble. Capitalists even have a material incentive to lie about socialism because it is the only thing that threatens them, yet you still believe their lies. I despair sometimes that humanity will ever be able to throw off their chains.

[–] tyo_ukko@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

This is ... highly ironic.

I could build a simple chat bot for you to interact with. It would just switch around the words communism and capitalism, and spit your own comments back to you. You'd have a ball with it.