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A new survey showing that 82 percent of Jewish Israelis support the expulsion of Gazans was met with disbelief among those who stubbornly believe that the extremists are outliers. But these trends are as consistent as they are shocking

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[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

This is the bit that I've had a hard time with. And, to put it in less snide allegorical terms: Israel is in many ways the "invader". They took land, took homes, that weren't theirs. That invasion has been justified through massive harm to their people, and the need for a "safe space" they can call their own. But while that's the in-person justification by individuals, the backroom justification used to ship the weapons is achieving a "Western presence" in the middle east.

Something the Jewish community might not get is: They're not the only group that's been targeted for hate throughout history. The holocaust didn't even specifically target jews. We don't get to make a "Transgender state", or a "Black American state", and especially not displace others for that. In some ways the world needs to accept that, whether by 10 miles or 100, we'll still be neighbors on this planet and not totally unreachable. Set that distance, and it means you only get boiling points like 9/11 rather than shots fired in a neighborhood.

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

a trans state would be dope.

but make sure to differentiate the Jewish community and the zionists/Israel community.

although a lot of Jews support Israel. lots are speaking against it, some of the loudest anti zionists Voices are Jewish, from Chomsky, Finkelstein, JVP, btselem...

no one has the right to an ethnostate

the sad reality is that lots of refugees fleed to Palestine, but instead of being refugees, they wanted to be colonizers.

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

a trans state would be dope.

Can we just kick everyone out of Wyoming and make Wyoming the trans state?

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

not sure why Wyoming, but go ahead

[–] OCATMBBL@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Because Wyoming not?

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Eh, it's the least populace US state. Plus, who doesn't like mountains?

[–] trbleclef@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The holocaust didn't even specifically target jews

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[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Split semantics on exact wording if you'd like. A better word might be "solely". The Nazi party collected anyone of a variety of demographics they didn't like, including foreigners, LGBT, physically/mentally disabled, scholars, etc.