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[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 154 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Legal Eagle just released a video about "the real Epstein files". The main point they covered in the video is victim impact. The victims could be threatened and harassed because of the info.

Another point not covered is that criminal case info is typically not disclosed. Releasing a list of accused perpetrators (i.e. pedophiles/child rapists) encourages vigilante justice. It also interferes with any ongoing investigations, which should (at least in theory) still be ongoing.

I don't want Trump to release the case info. I want his DOJ to announce charges against people like Les Wexner, based on that info. And I want it to not just be his political enemies and bullshit lies.

[–] Nanook@lemmy.zip 99 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Virginia Giuffre would argue otherwise. BTW, she just died. By “suicide”. After being struck with a bus at 110km/h, which would’ve killed most. (Fun fact, police didn’t want to send help to the accident scene).

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/virginia-giuffre-father-death-cause-b2743303.html

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago

Fucking hell. I didn't even know that.

[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 22 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Dig into the bus crash more. It was minor, but Giuffre then checked herself into the hospital and made pretty bizarre claims about her health. Then she went home and killed herself shortly after.

There was nothing nefarious about the crash, and it revealed she was having mental health issues.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

That’s correct. Her husband also had a restraining order against her, for him and their children, due to her psychosis. After being released from the hospital, she showed up at his door, begging to see the children. He declined due to her excited state, and recommended she go home and rest. She killed herself that night.

It’s a horribly tragic story of a woman who bore way too much trauma for one lifetime, but it really isn’t suspicious once you read the details.

[–] Nanook@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Yes a 110 km/h is minor. I’m permantly disabled just from 60 km/h. Hey but you do you

[–] Tja@programming.dev 12 points 2 days ago

Speed alone doesn't establish severity. A friend of mine had an accident at 200km/h and walked with a few scratches.

[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 3 points 2 days ago

It was 75 km/h and the bus clipped the car. It wasn't a full-on collision. The driver of the car was uninjured. The bus driver didn't even know the car had a passenger until the driver told him the next day.

https://7news.com.au/news/school-bus-driver-details-wa-crash-which-prince-andrew-and-jeffery-epstein-accuser-virginia-giuffre-claims-landed-her-in-hospital-c-18249669

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago

I very much get the first point. Victims need to be protected at all costs. Even if it means the public doesn’t get to know things.

To the second point, the way Trump handled it felt very much like “case closed, nothing to see here”. This does not feel like justice is going to be served.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Did they cover the part about how Biden's DOJ had absolutely no fucking excuse to take that long to prosecute?

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We can't seem like we are making it political because he's running for office or some bullshit was always the excuse.

[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Yet they waited 3.5 years until right after he won the Republican nomination to bother charging him and that was just for the Jan 6th bullshit let alone the Epstein stuff.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

He should have been tossed in jail by February for insurrection. The whole hand wringing about 'appearances' excuse is why we can't hold anyone in power accountable.

[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago

Yeah the sycophants are always quick to make up a million excuses why Democrats can't ever accomplish anything they talk about, while simultaneously pretending they're "fighting fascism" by supporting this farce.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

There probably just isn't the kind of direct evidence people imagine. You can't prosecute people just for associating with a creep.

[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 days ago

I specifically mentioned Les Wexner for a reason. While the public information includes an absolute ton of red flags, and it's very likely that he bought child prostitutes, it doesn't reach the level proof beyond a reasonable doubt. IOW, it's unlikely to reach a conviction in court.

These people are also rich enough to drag out a court case for decades, even longer than the government. As such, they aren't likely to take a plea agreement that's more than a slap on the wrist and without admitting anything serious.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Okay, fine. Then if there was never going to be a prosecution, then there was no impediment to the Biden admin releasing the files.

So, which is it: did the Biden administration fuck up by slow-walking the prosecution, or did the Biden administration fuck up by failing to release the files even when it had no intention of prosecuting? Those are the only options!