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Ukraine's parliament passes bill destroying independence of key anti-corruption bodies
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The revolution didn't magically wipe out oligarchs and corruption. Ukraine is still an oligarchy, not a democracy. Do we not remember that before Zelenskyy, there was Poroshenko, a literal oligarch?
We shouldn't whitewash history as it's happening, just because someone is on the right side.
I'm fine with this logic, but it also has to extend logically to the United States no longer being a democracy, and it's arguable that a number of EU states would also qualify.
The US has been an oligarchy for a long time. It was only briefly interrupted by short periods of democracy.
Heck, many EU states are still monarchies, with a representative system slapped on top. As long as there is something like a "royal family" whose privileged status is inherited, the country shouldn't be considered a democracy. Equality in the face of the law is a core principal of democracy and any formal royal family is a clear violation of that.
Hungary, Bulgaria
I can't argue against that.
I've never considered the US a democracy. It's a one party state with the American exceptionalism of needing to have two parties to one up the other one party states.
Which countries would qualify as democratic outside the EU and the Western world, if any?
By their logic, not even the EU and the Western world could be considered democratic because oligarchs and corruption exist.
That is true.
No true full democracy exists.
The two states closest to one in my opinion though are Switzerland and Cuba. Both with their own limitations preventing them from being considered a full democracy.
Switzerland essentially outsourced it's entire working class to immigrants who cannot vote. Therefore it's just a democracy of the wealthy. Meanwhile Cuba needs to maintain revolutionary mass organisations to prevent counter-revolutionaries from hijacking their democracy.