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[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 71 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Most of the people on the Mayflower were businessman. Very few were the legendary “Pilgrims” - who were less fleeing persecution and more the fact that they couldn’t persecute others anyway.

The entire narrative we teach in school is about the Pilgrims is bullshit.

Most US history educations are going to give you very sparse details about the brutality of the genocide of Native Americans. Smallpox blankets were real. Treaties were treated as suggestions rather than anything binding - we still don’t really honor them today.

A substantial cause of the Revolutionary War was that England wanted to reserve areas for Native Americans. Not even out of the goodness of their heart, but because it was fucking expensive to send and kit soldiers because colonists kept fucking with the tribes. All of those Intolerable Taxes and shit were kinda needed to fund the fact that colonists kept sticking their dick in a beehive and had to get epipen-ed by the Crown.

The Civil War was 100% about slavery. The “states rights” bullshit was fabricated in the decades after the war. There has been a full century of deliberate assaults on the real history of slavery and the Civil War in the United States. The unique character of its brutality (race based chattel slavery is not like what was practiced by other civilizations) is underplayed. (“B-b-b-but the first slave was an Irish guy owned by a Black man” or other bullshit - deliberately conflating things like indentured servitude with chattel slavery.)

The modern American police force is basically a direct descendent of slave patrols. The brutality against black men is also a long legacy - they made purses out of Nat Turner’s skin, and probably even ate parts of him.

Slavery didn’t really end. During reconstruction and afterwords, communities passed bullshit laws to re-enslave black people. It’s very easy to make an argument that the “war on drugs” in the US is a way of maintaining slavery, because the 14th amendment explicitly has a carve out that slavery is permitted if you are convicted of a crime.

The Gulf of Tonkin incident, which was used to justify the Vietnam War, was a false flag. The idea that soldiers returning from war were spat on or harassed was something very deliberately propagandized. Not that it didn’t happen, but not to the extent it was portrayed.

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 25 points 2 days ago (2 children)

As someone from the north, we were very explicitly taught that the civil war was about slavery.

[–] kelpie_returns@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

As someone from the south; we were not. I was lucky enough to have a cousin with an anti-authority complex and internet access, but most of my classmates were not.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The "War of Northern Agression" started by Confederates shooting at an American fort.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I mean, such things can be false flags. It wouldn't make sense, the Confederates were much weaker strategically and knew it.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

Even PragerU admits it nowadays, to their rare credit. I flipped through some state standards, and even the usual suspects do agree now.

However, a quick scroll on news comment thread about confederate statues or a convo with a high school teacher in like fucking Durant or something will reveal that Lost Cause bullshit is still alive and well.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

13th Amendment (mostly) abolished slavery. 14th establishes birthright citizenship and requirements to serve in public office.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

Ah you’re right, got my wires switched.

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Amazing how many states passed vagrancy laws in the decades after that…