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Regarding return to office policy, I hear many speculations and reasons hypothesized. Mostly by employees who don't really know and who had no choice in it.

I would like to know is if there are any lemmings out there who have been involved in these talks.

What was discussed?

How is something like this coordinated amongst others businesses even rivals.

What are the high level factors that have gone into the decision?

Bonus points: is it even possible for employees to prevent or reverse these policies at this point?

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[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago (3 children)

At the beginning of COVID, when our CEO decided all non-essential staff should immediately begin working from home wherever possible, our CIO declared all of IT to be essential on-site. Shortly after the meeting when the CIO made that announcement, people at my level (bottom-level manager) essentially all announced to our supervisors that we were going to refuse to abide by that directive.

My direct supervisor told us to relax and essentially said that the entire management team was going to sit the CIO down and have a come to Jesus meeting. Shortly after that the directive was reversed, and it was left up to managers to decide if their team could be WFH, hybrid, or fully on-site. It's hard to stay CIO if the entire IT group is in revolt.

For many months after that, in the regular management meetings, the CIO would talk about how difficult it was and how everyone was suffering due to the requirement to work from home. He would talk about how many people told him they were longing for the day when we could all be on-site again. I have no idea who those people were, because everyone I spoke to thought WFH was fantastic.

I have heard that when productivity didn't drop, the CEO asked, "Why are we paying all these high rents for office space if everyone is just as productive and happier working from home?" It was around that time that the CIO started to talk about WFH like it was a good thing.

At this point, there's no sign it will ever end. We are allowed to hire people from out-of-state and most people are WFH full time. They've reduced office space to the point where we all couldn't work on-site even if we wanted to.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

He would talk about how many people told him they were longing for the day when we could all be on-site again. I have no idea who those people were, because everyone I spoke to thought WFH was fantastic.

My old CEO would pull this bullshit, too. He'd say like "I've heard from people that [wild claim]". The team was like 5 people it's not like I couldn't go ask people if they actually said that. I think it's some sort of asshole-lying mechanism.

[–] Colonel_Panic_@eviltoast.org 8 points 1 day ago

It's a classic manipulation technique. It's never "I think that..." It's always framed as "Lots of people think that .." to give it credibility, but it's a lie and meant to manipulate you into feeling like you are alone and the group all thinks differently than you to force you to comply.

Lots of leaders do it. Trump does it constantly. CEOs do it. Abusive people do it in their relationships.

Once you know it and recognize it you start seeing it EVERYWHERE from dishonest people.

It's funny to ask them "Which people say that?" If you can. It makes them SQUIRM.

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