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Do you think that regulations have no effect on open source AI?
In this case? Yeah. There will always be someone with a copy of the code. They just spin up a new model and share it with the world. It's like The Pirate Bay. No matter how hard they try to destroy the site, it always comes back.
I think the bipartisan TAKE IT DOWN bill has and will have a substantial effect on the proliferation of open source deepfake models. Sure, a tech savvy individual will still be able to download a model themselves and do whatever, but it significantly different from having deepfake services readily available for millions to use. Is it absolute enforcement, no, but it has a substantial effect on the world.
How did we get to talking about deepfakes? They're trying to stop honest discussions about misinformation, diversity, equity, inclusion, and climate change.
I was giving an example of regulation that has an effect on open source AI
Fair enough. That being said, deepfake services doesn't need to be open source. Anything that presents to the masses is obviously going to be enforced but that doesn't necessarily translate back to the open source supply chain.
I'm not sure if this has happened yet, but in theory the TAKE IT DOWN act could be used to shutdown an open source deepfake code or model repository. In that case you're right that there will be copies that spring up, but I think it is significant that popular projects could be taken down like that.
Glad we got that out of the way. Now can we get back to Trump's EO so I can stop feeling like I'm feeling devil's advocate here?
Sure. My understanding of your original comment was that Trump's EO won't matter to open source AI because regulations, or lack of regulations, won't affect open source AI. My point is that regulations do affect open source AI in some significant way.
And, as what has been stated repeatedly, Trump's EOs only affect the executive branch.
I know this. Are you saying that it doesn't matter that dozens of government agencies will now have reduced AI regulation? Have you read how many agencies and departments will be affected? https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/Americas-AI-Action-Plan.pdf
lolwut? No. What point are you trying to make here?
When you say that Trump's EO's only affects the executive branch, it sounds like you're trying to say the EO doesn't matter. My point is that it does matter.
You compared Trump's EO to a federal law enacted by Congress. In that sense, it doesn't matter because those two have nothing in common in the slightest. Since you already understand EOs have a limited scope, than you know that this does nothing to stop open source software.
When I mentioned the TAKE IT DOWN act, we were talking about regulations in general. I did not equivocate laws to EOs. That said, this EO will have effects on regulatory agencies. Therefore, it will have an effect on software as we discussed, open source or not.
No. No it won't. I stand by my Pirate Bay example.
What are your thoughts on this? Is this not an effect on open-source due to regulation? https://www.home-assistant.io/blog/2023/10/13/removal-of-mazda-connected-services-integration/
Enough with the damn fear mongering.
I pointed to an actual thing that already happened. How is that fear mongering?
At this point any idiot can buy drugs on the dark web. We know this because many do it wrong. The same will apply to deepfake websites.