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The surprise move, in a declaration endorsed on Tuesday by the 22 member nations of the Arab League, also condemned Hamas’s Oct. 7 attacks on Israel, which set off the devastating war in Gaza.

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 26 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I usually have 0 confidence in the Arab states to do anything good, but this headline is misleading. What's being called for here is for Hamas to disarm and hand over its weapons to the Palestinian Authority in the process of creating a Palestinian state, which is like, duh of course independent paramilitaries shouldn't exist inside a sovereign state. It's technically a call for Hamas to disarm, but they had to have known what impression this headline would give. Fuck NYT.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Why should palestinians drop arms before occupation end? How can you say that when israeli support ethenically cleansing palestinians?

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Creating a sovereign Palestinian state is ending the occupation. Also note that I never said Palestinians should lay down their arms; I only said that when/if a democratic state is created those arms should be in the hands of that democratic state, not unelected paramilitaries.

TL;DR: Israel fucks off then Palestinian paramilitaries disband, not the other way around.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Arab countries and the west want hamas to disarm before the state is created and if the state ever got created they want it to have no army.

When you keep sending arms to israel and have great trading with them there is no reason,why israel will ever allow a state

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 0 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Arab countries and the west want hamas to disarm before the state is created and if the state ever got created they want it to have no army.

This declaration explicitly states otherwise though? You can just, like, go read it. It's pretty milquetoast stuff.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

False , this is the order 1- Hamas ceases power, disarms, and hands authority to PA

2 - PA conducts elections to govern all Palestinian territories

3 - Israel ends occupation and commits to a two-state solution with security guarantees.

This would just be another failed accord like Oslo accords where the PA respect it's commitment but Israel continue the occupation with even less resistance. Then the west and Arab countries continue to have great unofficial relations

https://english.wafa.ps/Pages/Details/159734

[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why would Hamas yield power back to the PNA after ruling Gaza for 18 years? The good of the people?

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 11 points 1 day ago

I dunno, ask them.

Hamas Member of Parliament Khalil al-Hayya, also deputy chairman of the Hamas Political Bureau, told the Associated Press in April 2024 that Hamas is willing to agree to a truce of five years or more with Israel and that it would lay down its weapons and convert into a political party if an independent Palestinian state is established along pre-1967 borders.

More seriously, Hamas's claim to legitimacy is their fight for Palestinian self-determination. If that's back on the table, they won't be able to maintain their authoritarian state anymore, because both Palestinians and the international community will want them gone, or at least out of power so democratic elections can take place. Also, this is pretty much what they accepted in the Jan 2025 ceasefire; it'd be a political impossibility for them to maintain undemocratic rule without active Israeli aggression and they know that.

TL;DR: Because they'll have no other choice. Also I'm not sure what this has to do with my comment.