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Trump administration says federal employees can encourage co-workers to "re-think" their religious beliefs (www.cbsnews.com)

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[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Three random atrocities you list don't hold any bearing.

As for your claim the scripture instructs you to "hate homosexuals"

Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted.

Where does it say to hate these people? The whole context of this conversation is talking about the law and addressing pharisees.

As for other groups, how do you reconcile disparities between what scripture instructs vs how the church acts? There's a heavy red lean in christian voters despite Christ's teachings largely boiling down to things decried as 'woke' today. Why is the modern culture surrounding christianity so blatantly at odds with the lore of christianity?

Irrelevant.

"Red" to me means leftist. But I assume you're an American and talking about the American Republican party led by Donald Trump.

Pedantry aside, there are people who identify as Christian and fail to act on it. So what? Should I- someone who believes that God literally became man and died for our salvation, reject God's gift because Karen in Mississippi hates mexicans? By no means!

How do I feel about the current president of the United States of America? I believe he is an evil antichrist and he along with those who idolise him need to repent and turn to Jesus before it's too late for them.

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[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It drops homosexuality smack-dab in the middle of some of humanity's absolute worst.

And?

paints a pretty clear picture of how christians are to think of gay people.

Matthew 5:43-44

“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbour and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

So we should love them if they are our enemies..

The evil shit committed by the church is the result of the instructions from the lore. So, hard disagree - it's 100% relevant.

So close yet so far! The whole Bible is about how we as humans are evil and need a saviour. This "evil shit committed by the church" isn't endorsed by the Bible at all! In fact, God's standard is perfection!

Matthew 5:48

You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

We can't be perfect,

Romans 5:8

but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

I have seen evil committed by Atheists as well, does that make every Atheist evil and depraved?

that's be catering to christianity (in areas where christianity is the dominating religion... we could pretty well copy and paste this entire conversation subbed for islam or w/e if you wanted). It's the same us-vs-them shit every time.

Yes. For example, Türkiye, the leaders often pay lip service to Islam. But if people who identify as Christians want non christian things, then populists will cater to that. Doesn't mean Christianity is at fault. The American republican party can be the same but stop paying lip service to Jesus.

So should you- someone who believes in god, reject that mythology over the realization that it compels people to do evil things, consistently and frequently?

No. Because I don't interpret the Bible to tell you to hate everyone who is sinful or different. I don't interpret it to mean "you are better than everyone else" or "elect a fascist". I think being a Christian means we need to act like Christ.

antichrist... he certainly checks a lot of the boxes. I can say with a pretty high degree of certainty that the folks here won't be repenting in any meaningful way. Trump is their god; Jesus is just their mascot. ...I'm not convinced it isn't already too late for us.

Can't argue with that. Not going to call the shots already and say he is THE antichrist, but he does check enough boxes to know that he should be avoided.

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[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Do you believe that homosexuality is fairly categorized into the same group as murderers, violent criminals, and slavers?

For a start, don't truncate what it says. I will reword your question.

"Do you believe that men who practice homosexuality are fairly categorised into the same group as the lawless and disobedient, the ungodly and sinners, the unholy and profane,those who strike their fathers and mothers,murderers, sexually immoral, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whoever else practices what is contrary to sound doctrine?"

In that case, the answer is yes.

You could reword it to say also "do I believe that liars belong in the same category as murderers". In which case, it depends on the context. Is murder as bad as lying? No. But are murder and lying both sinful? Yes.

To round it off,

James 2:10-11

For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it. For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

Romans 6:23

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

while building a no-true-Scotsman scenario

Quoting that fallacy is fallacy in itself.

James 1:26-27

If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person’s religion is worthless. Religion that is pure and undefiled before God the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.

Probably because scripture also tells christians to beat them to death with rocks.

No it doesn't. That was in the levitical law and was for the jews of that time. The law has been fulfilled through Christ who stopped the stoning of an adulterous woman. (John 8:1-11)

There is no atheist dogma

There is. And that is that "there is no God". Which also naturally follows "There is no final judgement". And if there is no God, one could reason morality doesn't exist. It can and has resulted to cruel acts. Hate and evil knows no creed.

how you reconcile the disparity between the church and the book

I try to live out the change that I want to see, and rebuke those who act unchristlike.

There was a fella a while ago who I presume was just racist. He joined our Christian group and identified as Christian. Then he started spouting absolute vile hatred against muslims and even boasted about harassing them. I took the stand in telling him that even though we see islam itself as a heresy, the way he was acting was not only unconstructive but unchristlike. I guess because I lead, the others joined in an were like "yeah, Flax is right". He eventually got so fed up that we were so "weak" that he renounced Christianity and left us.