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What do hamas think of women?
Is this supposed to be some gotcha that justifies Israel's genocide? Because what does Israel think of all of the women they are killing? And in Syria as well.
No, but there's nuance. Hamas is not worth supporting under any circumstance. I believe the Arabs and Muslims in Gaza and the West Bank should be able to live peacefully with all non Arabs and non Muslims in the region. Hamas does not want that. Hamas does not want peace with non Muslims, especially Jews.
They do, though. Setting aside the fact that there are Christians living peacefully in Gaza, Hamas updated their charter in I think 2017 to reflect that. It has always been Israel rejecting peace deals, not Hamas.
There’s plenty to condemn Hamas for without making stuff up. Hamas has been endorsed a two state solution for 20 years now and said they don’t have anything against Jews, their beef is with Zionists stealing more of their land daily. And it’s not like Netanyahu has don’t much better; his party’s charter says a one state solution from the river to the sea and Netanyahu is unable to name a single Palestinian he likes even though the anti-Hamas factions have offered to work with him and he refuses.
I'd love any source on Hamas' peaceful intentions towards the Jewish people
Literally their charter.
Yeah what do you find objectionable in this? Nowhere does it deny the right of Palestine's non-Palestinian Arab residents to stay there.
Their self-claimed right to religious jihad? The spreading of an Islamic ethnic state? Nothing wrong the the spread of Islam or the Arabic ethnicity, but i disagree on violent means (jihad and by establishing a state). Do you?
Their end goal is to jihad Israel until they are gone, wiped off the earth. We'll just assume the Jews will be safe, I guess? I don't like the state of Israel, but I don't want the world to lose the Jewish people, and I don't trust Hamas to be the protector of so many Jews. I have seen zero evidence that Hamas will be willing to risk their lives to protect and save the lives of innocent Jewish people. Again, I just want a better option than Hamas for the people of Gaza and the West Bank. I want a better option for the people of Israel/Judea too, than their current state.
Well then you're in luck, because more Jews live outside of Israel than live in it. Myself being one of them. Fuck Israel, it doesn't represent me and suggesting it does is, frankly, bigoted.
Israel is not the Jewish State even if it wants to say it is. That claim benefits two groups:
And meanwhile, that sentiment increases antisemitism, it doesn't reduce it. Israel makes the world less safe for me and my family. It does not protect me. It never has, it never will.
Their right to resist colonial oppression, yes.
How else do you want them to obtain human rights? Because anyone paying attention can tell that Israel will not give them any unless forced to. The Palestinian nonviolent resistance project ended up as the monstrosity known as the Palestinian Authority. Israel actively killed the only major peaceful resistance group in Palestine; what do you expect Palestinians to do?
Yes, and? Nelson Mandela's ANC fought until the Apartheid was wiped off the face off the Earth too.
I mean I guess yeah. How that'll work out will depend on what form the conclusion of this conflict takes, but colonial peoples do tend to face this problem when their rule ends.
Okay and? Even if the genocide you're assuming will happen was likely (which it isn't), why is the hypothetical genocide of Jews more important than the real, ongoing genocide of Palestinians?
Can you point to any of the Hamas supporters on Lemmy? I have yet to meet one.
Look at the other replies here, I posted sections of Hamas' 2017 peace document which explicitly states their right to jihad and I got "yeah, jihad is fine" from someone. People defend Hamas here.
What you got was a definition of jihad you disagree with. That is not the same thing.
Jihad means "struggle" in Arabic. That has a broad range of interpretations. You deciding it must mean violence and only violence is the issue here.
I know what it means, I understand it means to struggle. They use it in a violent context, it is not misinterpreted.
Please do demonstrate that, because the images you shared talk about armed resistance, which means that if they get attacked, they're going to fight back. That's as close as it gets to what you're saying.
Yes, and they claim the right to do what they did to innocent people. They are innocent , as much as my neighbors in America are innocent, even though they are from all races and nationalities, they still are occupying First Nation land as defended by American colonizers and upholded by colonial capitalism. My neighbors are colonizers as much as I am, a half Filipino. My mom is a colonizer and is full blooded Filipino. She, and all of my neighbors deserves anything she gets if First Nation people wanted America back the same way Hamas wanted Palestine back for the Palestinians?
I do not disagree that I would not at all be surprised if First Nation people were so fucking hateful towards Americans, but would I defend that act? I couldn't, I love my neighbors. They are beautiful Muslims, Christians, black, Mexican, white, old, young, etc. What Hamas does to innocent people like them, I just can't do it. There has to be other ways.
You are changing the subject. You were talking about jihad within the context of the images you pasted. They do not talk about jihad in the context of violent resistance.
A lot better than the Taliban, that's for sure. The Taliban are a whole thing on their own when it comes to women's rights.
It's so telling that in all your replies, you keep going back to how "Hamas is evil" while casually glossing over Israel's role in this genocide and their constant crimes against humanity.
Exploding buses from Hamas? No no no, inhuman. IDF forces dressing up as healthcare workers to go around unnoticed? Or Israel using civilians as human shields? bUt wHaT aBoUt hAmAs!?
It's also telling that some 20 days ago, in another post, you wrote
So you do understand violence as a legitimate method of protest/resistance. But you don't understand it for Hamas or any other Muslim groups. Interesting...
You Zionist trolls are all the same
Luigi killed an oppressor. Teenagers and old ladies that Hamas targets in their atracks are not oppressors. I'm not unaware of Israel, but Hamas does use human shields. This is a fact. Hamas cannot ever do this. It is inhumane. It shreds them of innocence. It makes removing Hamas impossible without innocent loss, and I hear you on wanting thay. If oct 7 resulted in only oligarchs and military leaders and politicians being targeted I'd be having a different discussion. If any intifada by Hamas had desired peace instead of total war, we'd have a different discussion. Hamas is as evil as Israel is, I agree.
So you're really not even going to try anything else but "bUt hAmAs" in your replies, eh?
So did Hamas. But you keep denying them the same benefit of the doubt you give to this guy. I guess to you all those dead Palestinian people across almost 80+ years of occupation are not entitled to the same level of violence as a random guy who grew up with a wealthy family. You are really showing your true self with this replies.
They are called casualties. And they are not directly oppressors, but they are without a doubt settlers of a colonial movement. They are in the line of fire because they went into a land that was not theirs.
See my previous comment about your inability to reply without whatabout your way back to Hamas.
There we are. The classic Zionist propaganda coming through.
It is not and it will never be a total war. A war would require at least 2 armies fighting against each other. This is a brutal and one sided genocide carried out by Israel. Period.
I don't. The level of actions carried out by those 2 entities are not even remotely close. You just value some lives more than others and are trying your very best to condemn people that have been forced to endure a brutal ethnic cleansing campaing for the past 80+ years.
I've seen your other replies as well. You are free to reply to me, but I've seen and said everything I needed to say to such trolly (read Zionist) behaviors