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[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (19 children)

I don’t expect a dairy farmer to know better, but of course he means “plant-based”, not “vegan”. “Plant-based” is a functional description, while “vegan” is a set of moral values and their ethical consequences.

Since the farmer is talking about the outcome as opposed to the justification is there anything functionally different between "plant-based" and "vegan" here? As in would the diet of the vegan and someone eating only "plant based" look different in any way?

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (18 children)

Neither of them really describe "a" diet. I don't consume alcohol. Is that a diet? You don't consume antifreeze, even though it tastes really really good. Is that a diet? "Not consuming animal products" is not a diet.

"Plant-based" is a characteristic of an infinite number of diets or other practices; those that exclude animal products. "Vegan" is a characteristic of a person; one that conducts themselves according to a specific moral perspective on interactions with animals. A diet is vegan iff (ie if and only if) there was a moral question in its practice. It describes the justification, and using it to talk about only the outcome is exactly what I am saying is incorrect.

[–] fartknocker@lemm.ee -1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Y'all should be more honest with yourselves and admit that veganism is a religion. Your god is cattle, like you.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You could think of it in similar ways. Religion provides morality basically by fiat. Veganism provides morality based in our belief that the experiences of animals are real and matter. I think that is an important distinction, but you may disagree, and it doesn't do anyone any harm if you do.

[–] fartknocker@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I think the behaviors are the same, so it doesn't really matter. If you would drop the evangelism you would both be far more tolerable.

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