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Under this scenario Russia would have military and economic control of occupied Ukraine under its own governing body, imitating Israel’s de facto rule of Palestinian territory seized from Jordan in 1967.

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Witkoff, who is also tasked by Trump with bringing peace to the Middle East, is understood to support the idea, which the Americans believe circumvents barriers in the Ukrainian constitution to ceding territory without holding an “all-Ukraine” referendum.

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[–] HowRu68@lemmy.world 24 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I find the whole westbank occupation style metaphor, whether the real one or the proposed one, the highest insult against human rights and International law right now. They are defaecating the world with their literal screwed up wordview of a horrendous reality, and imposing it as a peace proposal they can boast about. How despicable and low can you go, they keep breaking records.. They are soulless, heartless ruthless poor examples of humanity.

[–] npdean@lemmy.today 1 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

I agree with most of what you said except this -

They are soulless, heartless ruthless poor examples of humanity.

They are the sum of all human nature. They represent the average of us, whether we like it or not.

[–] 001Guy001@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

They represent the bottom/extreme evil side, not the average. Human nature is a full spectrum of possible good behaviors and bad behaviors. People are mirrors, they reflect their environment, the conditions and ideas that they've been exposed to. They are shaped and limited by the overall systems that they are living under, that they did not choose/built themselves.

[–] npdean@lemmy.today -2 points 2 hours ago

Average includes the extremes. Trump, Putin and King Elizabeth all grew up in different parts of the "good" world with extreme wealth and power and all of them became assholes. At some point, you have to think that humanity is bound to end at this point whatever you do.

Also, this is another hot take but they are what they are because we let them be. Every American is complicit in Trump's actions whether they voted for him or not. If we really cared, we would have stormed the White House by now. We don't, so we don’t. I know I don’t care enough about Ukraine or Palestine to do anything other than online discussion or boycotting some brands.