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**In short: **

Ukraine's former house speaker Andriy Parubiy has been shot dead in Lviv.

Parubiy's colleagues in parliament and the government have shared tributes, praising him for his contributions to Ukraine's fight for sovereignty. What's next?

A manhunt has been launched for the killer.

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[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Despite his move away from the Social-National Party in 2004[30] Parubiy was frequently the target by pro-Russian media, who routinely refer to him as a Nazi, especially after the Revolution of Dignity.

I'm shocked that a .ml user would behave like pro-Russian media. Totally shocked.

[–] lmagitem@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

You know, we can acknowledge the errors of Ukraine without removing their rights to live as a free country.

Ukraine had a big problem with far right, and it was full of corruption. I don't know to which extent it is still true, but that doesn't mean we should let Russia to annex or ethnically cleanse them.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

By big problem we mean that nazi party that got less than 1% on elections?

[–] lmagitem@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Check out Dmytro Yarosh, Pravy Sektor or the Azov Brigade for example. They have far more reach than "1% on elections".

Historicaly the nazis were very popular in Ukraine because they fought against the soviets which, as you can guess, weren't much liked by most of the population. They were seen as heroes and liberators by a lot of people. That doesn't make it right, but it makes sense. History has a tendency to be grey like that.

Well, those groups were obviously among the first to fight against the Russians in eastern Ukraine after Maïdan. They were very active in the Maïdan revolution too.

It's a valid thing to point out that integrating neo-nazi or nazi-adjacent people like that in the government and war machine is problematic. That doesn't invalidate Ukraine's legitimacy or give credit to Russia's stupid claims. But denying those facts only fuels the russian propaganda machine.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago

Oh, I'm fucking sorry, it's actually 1.80%
It's so fucking far more than one percent it's not even close. Oh such an enormous reach, if you "do your own research" instead of looking into facts.
My man, either stop eating russian lying narrative, or stop spreading it, preferably both.

[–] tomiant@programming.dev 5 points 20 hours ago

Historicaly the nazis were very popular in Ukraine [...] They were seen as heroes and liberators by a lot of people.

That is a blatant exaggeration bordering on revisionism. They were seen as liberators by a minority upon invasion in 1941, that quickly changed once the people realized the facts of the occupation, and millions fought against the nazis.

[–] Tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I wouldn't really call Azov brigade nazi any more, although they do have an origin as a nazi organization. They were cleaned of most of that crap around 2018 or so.

Also, in 2014 Ukraine de facto had no army, as they had found it impossible that Poland or Slovakia or Moldova would attack them and believed that even if that was to happen, the Russia would come help. And when Ukraine then needed some military might when this war began in 2014, the only ones who had learned to properly use a weapon were the Moscow-funded extreme right wing oranizations, who merrily bit the feeding hand when it tried to start punching them.

Ukraine began with building an actual useful army in 2014, but for a long time the informal extreme right organizations were stronger than the Ukrainian military and police forces combined, which meant there was a real threat of a far-right coup in Ukraine. The way Ukraine was able to dismantle those dangerous organizations was by slowly allowing them to integrate into the Ukrainian army, while at the same time everything possible was done to water down the nazi symphaties from those units. Nowadays by far the biggest part of Azov soldiers are against nazism, but of course there are still ugly symphathies among the oldest members of the organization. For example, the Azov battallion changed its logo away from being the wolfsangel already a couple of years ago, but very often you still see the old logo in use. And that is a nazi symbol. But, because the majority of soldiers in Azov units are there to fight a war in a skilled unit where they are likely to stay alive, I still would not call it a nazi organization now in 2025.

Of course, when you're in the trenches, the philosophies of your fellow soldiers are less important than their ability to shoot the orcs between the eyes.

And to end this text: Most of the funding for the Ukrainian right wing extremists came from the Russia, until in 2014 it stopped. Since then, the amount of right-wing extremism in Ukraine has been in a steady decline, while at the same time it's been on a rise in the Russia and in territories occupied by the Russia. Just like in any other country that has been under Russian influence during this century, there is indeed still a big nazi problem in Ukraine. But it's important to understand that in any areas under Russian control the problem is and will be rising, whereas in other parts of Ukraine it's decreasing. A country having a nazi problem is not a reason to decline helping them reduce the amount of nazism. (And the problem is not bigger than that in present day Germany, BTW. But still, just like in Germany it is important to do something and that something is indeed being done, it's also important in Ukraine to do something. And that something is also being done. Stupid to claim the problem doesn't exist, stupid to claim that it's a defining feature of Ukraine.)

[–] lmagitem@lemmy.zip 1 points 19 hours ago

Well, I'm glad to learn it's on a steady decline then :)

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 2 points 1 day ago

Thank you. You articulated the same thoughts I have but much better than I did

[–] GraveyardOrbit@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Founding and supporting a neo nazi organization for 13 years before stepping away isn’t the slam dunk you think it is

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 14 points 2 days ago

No it sucks. But so do tankies spouting tankie talking points.

[–] PedroG14@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

???? DUDE, THIS GUY CO-FOUNDED A LITERAL NEO-NAZI PARTY, IN WHAT SENSE WOULD THIS INFORMATION BE pRo-RuSsIaN????????

EVERY FUCKIN NAZI SHOULD JUST DIE, DO YOU UNDERSTAND IT? I DON'T FUCKIN CARE IF IT IS UKRANIAN, RUSSIAN OR FUCKIN BRAZILLIAN, OKAY?

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

He hasn't been involved with the party for the last 20 years, has been vocally opposed to their values for most of those 20, and nonetheless is still presented as though he's an active member & nazi by pro-russian media. The information is true, the context in which that information is presented is manipulated to be pro-russian.