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I'm not wrong. Both the Palestinians and the Israelis want to wipe the other out. Stated and quoted multiple times. "From the river to the sea." Both peoples are attempting to claim one land and that gets you generations of bloodshed.
The only real difference is the Israelis have the capacity to do it and the Palestinians do not. You aren't going to take over Israel throwing rocks and shooting what may as well be bottle rockets.
The only solution is for a 3rd party to separate them and make them behave, which nobody has the will to do, certainly not the US which is in the tank for Israel. Definitely not the U.N. which is blocked from acting by the U.S. Europe can't be bothered.
Absent that this will all just continue until one of them is killed to the last man. At this point, that's looking like the Palestinians.
One wants to eliminate the people living in the area and the other the government.
Either way that still ignores you eagerly jumping into a thread then yelling to stop as soon as it doesn't go your way
LOL no. That is not what they mean.
"From the river to the sea" is a genocidal statement when Netanyahu says it, it's equally genocidal when the Palestinians say it.
Eliminating the state doesn't revert the land to the people, only the elimination of all the people living there does that.
The difference is Palestinians want a land for both, which is what from the river to the sea means, while Israel wants just the land.
Again you're ignorance is astounding
Palestinians do not want the land for both, they want their land back and that means eliminating the Israelis who will not give it up willingly.
See the quote from Efraim Karsh quoted from "Arafat's War: The Man and His Battle for Israeli Conquest". 2004 Grove Press. here:
https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calls_for_the_destruction_of_Israel
"The new "free and democratic society" was perceived not as a true partnership between equal groups sharing sovereignty over a specific territory, but rather as an Arab-Muslim state in which Jews would be reduced to a permanent minority status, a modern-day version of the ahl al-dhimma" system of "protected non-Muslim minorities" that had existed since Islam's early days [...] The PLO's pretence that those Jewish citizens of the defunct state of Israel who would like to become citizens new Arab Palestine would be allowed to do so was patently false [...] the Palestinian National Covenant, revised in July 1968 [...] states explicitly that only those Jews "who were normally resident in Palestine up to the beginning of the Zionist invasion are Palestinians." Since most of Israel's citizens are an integral part of this "Zionist invasion," the practical meaning of this declaration is that the prospective Palestinian state would be virtually Judenrein[b]."
Bolding mine. The Judenrein link goes to this definition:
"A Nazi word to designate an area that has been "cleansed" of Jews during the Holocaust."
The plan is to cleanse Israel of Jews, full stop. Just as much as Israel wants to cleanse Israel of Palestinians. Neither side can be allowed to proceed with genocide, and yet nobody wants to stop them either.
Did you read your source or the references.
1 it's not even Palestinians but just a list of Arabs upset at the situation since the 40s, and 2 even has such references as Iran saying we do not wish to eliminate the people simply the Israeli government
https://www.france24.com/en/20191115-khamenei-says-iran-wants-removal-of-israel-state-not-people
You're entire argument is simply the same as what Israel is currently doing to the Palestinians expressed by 1 historian.
Again, eliminating the government will not, ever, reclaim the land.
Same with the "Land Back" idiots in the US. If the US government stopped existing today, that would not return a single square inch of land back to native peoples.
The only way to get the land back is to take it, and the only way to take it is to get rid of the people currently living there.
This is amazing. Because in your mind the only way to get land back is killing everyone, the only answer is the Palestinians want to kill everyone.
It's almost like the system needs to be changed completely just like in the USA to actually have equal rights for all.
They aren't giving it up voluntarily, are you not paying attention?
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/1/22/mapping-1800-israeli-settler-attacks-in-the-occupied-west-bank-since-october-7
"Please sirs, could you please give us our land back and stop killing us? Please?"
Good luck with that. Flip it around?
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/palestinian-gunmen-kill-six-jerusalem-bus-stop-shooting-2025-09-08/
We're at a point where the violence is self perpetuating. The idea that the land can be shared is a pipe dream. The only solution is an enforced two state solution, neither side is capable of doing that on their own, and no 3rd party is willing to do it.
So it's just going to keep going like this until all of one side is dead.
Ah yes those getting oppressed must be good little victims and not resist! Totally the same as kill them all.
Regardless the point is Israel has to be treated like Germany before and South Africa, honestly so should the USA at this point, and have the government dismantled and replaced.
Reminder for all this argument from Jordan started by refusing to accept that was an option.
https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/22618519 https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/22618519
You misunderstand, they lack the capability of resisting. They don't have the manpower, equipment, or weapons to resist in any sort of realistic way.
They can't feed themselves, how do you expect them to resist?
30 years of an illegal blockade will do that.
Thank you for finally admitting the Palestinians aren't going to kill all the Israelis.
I never said they could, I said they WANT to, which they absolutely do.