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Russia really is trying to start WWIII.
I think we are already in it.
Its not a war fought by tanks in most places. Its a psy-ops/information war, turning populations and genders against eachother as a first step.
People wait for the third world war to be "announced" because otherwise they dont think we are in one.
Is there actually any evidence showing that this is Russia besides different western media outlets just saying “trust me bro”?
The fact that asking for proof gets you downvoted means this place is hungry for war.
God forbid we want proof before we invade a country. Surely someday we'll find that yellowcake uranium.
Bullshit. We're hungry for Russia to stop fucking with the rest of the world, and for Russian trolls to stop playing these stupid games of "let's you and him fight." We're also hungry for people like you to realize the EU is not the United States, and this isn't Dubya going on about imaginary WMDs in Iraq.
In case you have forgotten, Russia is already occupying another country's territory after launching a brutal, unprovoked invasion. They've already demonstrated a willingness to engage in both conventional and hybrid warfare to steal land and destroy cultures they consider illegitimate.
Stop fucking defending them.
"Hey can we have evidence?"
"You want evidence? You're defending them!"
"...Sorry for this but we're in court right now, you can't just accuse people of crimes."
"WHO ELSE COULD HAVE DONE THIS?"
"No idea, let's figure it out with logic and reasoning. Maybe we can track the drones and -"
"I've heard enough, guilty."
Well lemme know when we find the yellowcake uranium, since not finding it is proof they're hiding it.
Can you think of ANYONE ELSE with anything to gain from this besides Russia?
Ukraine would probably like to not be the sole primary target.
Wait... You're proposing that Ukraine would feel like stirring shit up with Denmark, because it would somehow get Russia to stop focusing on them?
Sure it's likely, but again:
Meanwhile in the 1910s:
Meanwhile in the Gulf of Tonkin:
If it's Russia, let's do something about it. Hopefully something more than a slap on the wrist while sitting buying their oil and natural gas.
But if we don't have proof, we're just doing the Operation Iraqi Liberation again based on false information.
This reminds me of an interaction I had with a classmate on 9/11. The planes crashed into the tower and the teachers were showing us on TV, and my classmate was certain it was the Chinese because, "they attacked Americans at Pearl Harbor."
I'm of Japanese decent so I was a little torn about how I should react. I wanted to correct her that it was actually the Japanese, but I also didn't want to seem like I'm taking credit for a heinous act.
The irony was that she was Arab, so she probably ended up being on the butt end of racial profiling once more detail was available.
What a weird thing to have happen, sorry to hear that.
Are you joking? Of course they were Russian. This soon after the previous batch were shot down, who else would they be from?
Surely they would be able to track these drones and find out where they landed.
No don't ask for tracking drones and evidence! That's evil and wrong!
Just agree with the media and the state, they've never manufactured a war out of nothing before. Especially not in the age of misinformation .
No one else has been invading the airspace of countries near Russia. No one else has been making it a habit to send drones in and then pretend it wasn't them. Why would Sweden send drones over Denmark? Or Norway? Or Germany? Or Poland? Or Finland? None of its direct neighbors are at odds with them or experiencing any military tensions with them.
There is exactly one regional power that believes it has a claim on the territories of all its neighbors, and all their neighbors: Russia.
It's Russia. No one seriously believes Sweden or anyone else in the region is sending drones to military installations and airports.
Exactly how? Track military drones how?
Where did it say military drones?
Also radar of course.
They were detected specifically over military installations. You don't think a group of hobbyist drone pilots got together and randomly decided, "Hey, let's fly a bunch of drones over Denmark's sensitive military infrastructure simultaneously, for reasons," do you?
As for radar, drones are small enough to avoid detection by regular radar systems. They're hard to track. That's why they get used in military operations. To detect drones, you need C-UAS radar systems, which are typically installed at military locations - I believe that's how these drones were detected - but once the drones were out of range, tracing them would be extremely difficult.
So why did the military base not track the drones? Radar systems these days brag about being able to track birds.
Allegedly this was a big drone.
These. Plural. Multiple drones. Multiple military sites. Simultaneously. And it's funny you mention birds... Without C-UAS systems, radar has difficulty differentiating birds and drones.
So it should be very easy to track one of them.
Military drones are a lot bigger than birds.
Russia has advanced drones that can't be detected now, I guess?
Cripes...
First off, no they're not. The whole point of a military drone is to have a military asset that's hard to detect. And advantages in aerodynamics, fuel consumption, noise, and difficulty to track drop exponentially as size increases.
Secondly, you need specialized radar systems present in the area to specifically detect drones and differentiate them from birds, as I've already said. When the drones departed - assuming they did, since the Danish government isn't actually saying what happened with them - they would have left the range of the specialized systems. Denmark doesn't have drone detection systems covering their whole country.
Third, Finland and Lithuania have also recently had their airspaces invaded by drones. Which appeared to be coming from Russia.
Fourth, Copenhagen is the location for the upcoming EU summit. No EU member would have any reason to test the defenses in Denmark prior to sending their own representatives there. Russia would, if it's getting more aggressive... Which it is.
The drones were almost certainly Russian. No one else has any reason to send them. Stop carrying water for Vladimir Putin.
The answer to that is no, we're not currently able to do that. They're not commercially available drones, and drones are hard to track.
Just Russia...? As an American I'm offended you didn't include us. /S
No need to start a war about it
Would need more oomph on the Russian side before it becomes a world war.