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Is Russia’s Intervention in Ukraine Revolutionary? (www.youtube.com)

submitted 1 day ago by baffled_and_aghast@lemmygrad.ml to c/genzedong@lemmygrad.ml

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[–] TrueStalinistPatriot@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

I don't honestly recall that line, is that from when Jyotishman plays devil's advocate?

I should've made it more clear. This is not a line from the discussion it's my parody of the title

Edit: but after watching some of this video I guess I don't really understand the whole of this war and where it really came from. I'll have to learn more I guess

[–] baffled_and_aghast@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not exaggerating when I say this is the first social media platform I've been on where most people are open to changing their minds in the course of a discussion. It makes my head spin.

Anyways, have a look at the recent thread on Ukraine here, in particular the reply by Yogthos: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/9212334/7045123

[–] elPerroAsalariado@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Interesting that you'd be more moderate after watching the video, I guess I'll have to see it too.

[+] TrueStalinistPatriot@lemmygrad.ml -10 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Might've been wrong to question myself there lol. Her argument revolves around "Well Russia was provoked so they're actually fighting an anti imperialist war" and the predisposition you've to have in order to agree with her argument is that you believe most or at least a big part of the official Russian narrative.

Even if Russia really was provoked and is fighting for it's own sovereignty (by invading another country? but ok) then it's still a capitalist nation that's preying upon the nostalgia of its Soviet past and it's absolutely not becoming even slightly more communist by the day. Why should I care whether it's the thirteen colonies or the British empire that wins the American civil war?

Stop clicking the down arrow button and answer my question

https://www.idcommunism.com/2022/07/union-of-communists-of-ukraine-on-war-and-the-tasks-of-the-working-class.html?m=1

[–] rainpizza@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Her argument revolves around “Well Russia was provoked so they’re actually fighting an anti imperialist war” and the predisposition you’ve to have in order to agree with her argument is that you believe most or at least a big part of the official Russian narrative.

First of all, it is wrong to entirely dismiss the Russian side in the Ukrainian conflict. Russians have as much of a right to explain their side as the bloodthirsty West. Also, it is important to remind you that the West is not a truthful/reliable source as you think it is.

Continuing with that thought, the information mentioned by the Russians was also echoed plenty of times by Western media. This was collected by comrades in this thread post below and it is specially tailored for people that yet operate in the western framework(just like you are doing as of now):

https://lemmygrad.ml/post/9212334

Even if Russia really was provoked and is fighting for it’s own sovereignty (by invading another country? but ok) then it’s still a capitalist nation that’s preying upon the nostalgia of its Soviet past and it’s absolutely not becoming even slightly more communist by the day.

You keep looking down on our russian comrades with this other statement. What if I told you that Russia has way more probability to become socialist again than the whole European countries(that are actively rushing into fascism)?

It is better to take a step back on your contempt and investigate what russian comrades have achieved so far.

[–] TrueStalinistPatriot@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 16 minutes ago

West is not a truthful/reliable source as you think it is.

You're putting words in my mouth. Just because I don't trust the Russian narrative doesn't mean I trust the western narrative.

You keep looking down on our russian comrades with this other statement. What if I told you that Russia has way more probability to become socialist again than the whole European countries(that are actively rushing into fascism)?

It is better to take a step back on your contempt and investigate what russian comrades have achieved so far.

So your whole argument is that I'm supposed to support Russia because it has the possibility of turning socialist? How does that dismiss ANY of the arguments against this war denouncing it as imperialist?

Okay another argument is Ukrainian warcrimes (especially those against Donbass and part of the population that likes Russia). You obviously haven't heard "two wrongs don't make a right"

The Russian bourgeoisie has taken a contradictory stance with regard to the LDPR: on the one hand, it provided military and economic aid to the Donbass republics, but on the other hand, it did not politically recognize them and did not incorporate them into the Russian Federation like Crimea, but went to recognize the legitimacy of the pro-fascist Turchinov-Poroshenko-Zelensky puppet regime and signed the Minsk agreements with this regime. This did not bring peace to the LDPR and made the war a latent state on the line of contact for eight years, allowing thus the Ukrainian government to create a strong and Nazi-motivated army that became a threat not only to the LDPR but also to Russia itself.

https://www.idcommunism.com/2022/07/union-of-communists-of-ukraine-on-war-and-the-tasks-of-the-working-class.html?m=1 This is a statement of one of the organizations that was banned by the Ukrainian government