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Where would be the loss with that?
We wouldn't have a simple and secure way of communicating?
The apple/Facebook alternatives are not good at all.
Simplex, xmpp, deltachat, briar, matrix, even session.
Anything is better than signal that relies on a centralised proprietary server and requires a phone number.
I hate talkingpoints like that. Sure Signal can be critiqued, but it's still the best "mainstream" solution we have. And a lot of people would just stop using secure messanger when signal is gone. Including me because what is simplex or matrix worth for me, when no one I know cares to switch?
My personal experience is that if I can convince someone to install signal I can also convince them to install simplex, the process is the same. If I can't then they aren't going to use anything but the popular spyware anyway.
I will absolutely try that, but most of the people switched to signal or threema because they already heard about it and could just use it because they already used it for some other contacts (actually this was the most common. They already had an account and the app and just had to use it more) . But I don't think a lot of people would switch to a messanger they never heard about, just for me.
Well, that is fair, also simplex has some serious bugs which I don't mind because I value freedom, security and privacy over reliability, but sometimes the app just stops receiving messages until restarted and I need to message them via other means telling them to restart the app.
Sure, but tell my family that...
Has any of those become like easy to install and use? To be fair I haven't checked in some time...
Simplex is really easy to install and use, unfortunately it's still kinda buggy, specially with public relays, I personally don't mind buggy, I'm willing to make sacrifices for the same of freedom and privacy.
I just keep a second chat app as a failback so I can send them a message saying "ur simplex broke again, pls restart"
Xmpp has been stable for decades, tho I guess otr/omemo is hard for family to install, also doesn't support e2ee calls (or rather, it does, but it's complicated). But I haven't used xmpp in a long time.
With DeltaChat you don't even need an email address anymore, they provide it for you on the fly. They just ask your name if you (optionally) want to put it.
Can't be simpler than that tbh.
If you want a better looking ui, check ArcaneChat for Android. It's 100% compatible with DeltaChat protocol
That hasn't been true for a while now.
The world does not end after apple or Facebook.
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