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London’s Metropolitan Police arrested another 492 people over the weekend after a protest Saturday in Trafalgar Square, as the Starmer government accelerated its crackdown on opposition to the Gaza genocide.

The entirely peaceful protest was held to oppose the proscription of Palestine Action. It was organised by Defend Our Juries and attended by over 1,000 people. Of the arrests, 488 were for holding up signs declaring, “I oppose genocide. I support Palestine Action”.

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[–] twinklefruit@lemmings.world 35 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Why do Zionists have so much control outside of Israel?

What the fuck is wrong with the West? Don't tell me /pol/ was right...

[–] Tiresia@slrpnk.net 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Historically, British Zionism has been fundamentally tied to English supremacism and antisemitism.

Essentially, Israel is the UK's "not quite final solution" to the "problem" of Jews living in Britain - a place to dump all the Jews so England can be more ethnically pure.

This is public information - see the history of Zionism in Britain on wikipedia. The lesson ethnonationalists took from the holocaust - with Hitler publicly bemoaning he had no place to dump Jews forcing him into his final solution - was that every ethnicity needed their own homeland.

The story is similar for USAmerican white supremacists and ethic supremacists across Europe. If Israel collapsed, millions of Jews would flee to Europe and the US, and that's terrible if you're an antisemite.

But for the past 80 years, publicly admitting you're doing it for antisemitic or even ethnic supremacist reasons has been a faux pas, so there has been a whole literary genre of dogwhistles and motivated reasoning, combined with weaponizing of the "antisemitic" label, resulting in an intentionally opaque mess of justifications.

So then, as icing on the cake, the observation that this is a mess has been brilliantly co-opted by the propagandists through antisemitic conspiracy theory: Don't look behind the curtain, look at the Jewish boogeyman projected onto the curtain.

And of course capitalism also plays into this, but the capitalist elite has always been quite generous towards their fellow elites. "Socialism for the rich" is not just a turn of phrase, a lot of billionaires lost good money in the 2008 financial crisis bailout.

Golden parachutes, positions for each other's nepo babies, charity balls for trophy wives' pet projects, etc. - Despite capitalism supposedly being about profit maximization, the elites don't eat their own. They will let their portfolio burn billions to help each other out. But who is the in-group?

Surprise - it's white supremacists again. It's Epstein, Trump, Musk, the Kochs, the Waltons, the Clintons, the Kennedys, the British royals, etc. Nonwhites can definitely get invited to the cookout - Obama, Oprah, Rothschilds, etc. - but they are always peripheral and more easily cast out.

It's not a cabal, it's a community. Trump was the village idiot but his talent for demagoguery made him the hero of the town. White supremacy isn't a nefarious grand scheme, it's just a common belief that affects their friendships, their worldview, and their choices. Multiculturalism was a fun idea that helped destroy unions but now that people are angry it's easiest to fall back on the people you know (if you know what I mean). Bailouts are helping friends through tough times.

And Israel? Israel is a lightning rod. Anti-elitism can be tainted with antisemitism, ethnic supremacy is legitimized by their existence as a supposed solution to antisemitism while criticism of it isn't directed at white supremacy, anti-imperialism can be externalized, Islamophobia is sustained to justify oil wars, the military-industrial guys have a nice playing ground, the news can always look away from coups and neocolonial violence elsewhere, etc.

So that's the world - a bunch of rich white guys using Jews as a scapegoat for their own fuckery. Same as the past 1800 years, really.

[–] ewo@piefed.ca 1 points 1 day ago
[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago

Israel is key to western imperialist ambitions in the Middle East. The relationship between zionists and the west is in the same “too big to fail” category that protected the criminal bankers who left so many destitute in 2008. For capitalism’s true believers, it is easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.

[–] BCBoy911@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

In short, it's just because of oil. And American interests, which is a longer way of saying oil. Israel is an American outpost in an oil-rich region and serves its purpose of keeping the other Arab countries weak, divided and corrupt by constantly dishing out violence, bribes and blackmail in every direction.

And yes, the UK is doing this in America's interests and not their own, because the UK is not a sovereign country. It is a colonized puppet state of the Americans and has been since at least Tony Blair.

[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Haha what, please use occams here. It's hyper capitalism enforcing violence to cling to its embarrassing dependency on war. It doesn't matter about oil any more. The megacorps that are dependent on oil are adapting and becoming another form of demonic entity that have still full control over the astroturfing and distraction machinery, an important part of the global death chamber project

[–] BCBoy911@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Have you paid attention to whats coming out of western countries? They've doubled and tripled down on oil in America and Europe still has its pathetic addiction to Russian gas. Oil still rules west of the Urals, green energy transition is nowhere to be found. I've been hearing "Europe will wean itself off Russian gas this year" for over 3 years now, likely will not happen as long as Arab countries keep the price of oil at basement prices, at Israel's gunpoint.

[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 1 points 11 hours ago

The thing is oil is for the war machine and our reliance on it is synthetic. Should another more lucrative energy source appear, it will take its place and every mentioned problem persist under the same conglomerate

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (4 children)

not tongo full tinfoil, but this is beyond just lobbying.

I'm assuming there's lots of blackmail involved

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

The UK government's reaction is so extreme that Israel having proof of something like as child sexual abuse commited top British politicians seems likely (remember that from just the tiny slice of info that came out, both Prince Andrew and Mandelson were involved with Epstein).

[–] brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

If UK government was being blackmailed like that the two countries would be enemies, UK intelligence is as powerful as israel.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 hours ago

I think you're confusing James Bond with reality.

yhea, because the UK is burning it's democracy to serve a tiny ex colony of theirs.

makes no sense

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Nah, it's the mental illness and catastrophic human problem of religion. These nutcases think their invisible sky daddy is commanding them to do it.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I agree that is definitely a part of the problem. In the United States we see the evangelicals blindly and fiercely supporting Israel because they believe in the apocalypse. The zionists want to bring forth their messiah as well. Bibi believes he has been chosen to bring forth the messiah. A lot of issues here are stemming from and being justified by religion.

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

if you think the problem is religion instead of colonialism. then you drank too much propaganda

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

Uh huh, and that definitely isn't driven by the mental rot of religion?

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

The colonial mindstate is still alive simple as that

[–] krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You're not tongoing at all imo.

And now that we're on the subject, has anybody ever been as far to go make to do look more like?

[–] Djehngo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I don't even know if they do, this is possibly/probably just the government repeatedly and gleefully shooting itself in the foot.

Palestine protests themselves aren't criminalised (despite the title), what is however is criminalised is support of the Palestine Action group.

This is because they are a proscribed as a terrorist organisation, after a couple of their members snuck onto a military base and spray painted aircraft.

This is stupid in almost every way you can look at it, it criminalises people who are innocent of everything but carrying a sign or wearing a t-shirt, it makes the government look both cruel and inept and it has (as far as I can tell) been a huge boon to the credibility of Palestine Action resulting in more people joining or at least supporting them. And finally it (makes the government appear to/reveals the government does) support a nation enacting a genocide.

As for why; the aircraft were refusing tankers https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A330_MRTT I assume this was done because of rumors that the RAF were refueling IDF planes bombing civilians but last I heard they use incompatible in flight fueling systems.

Various news articles suggest 7m of damage which seems a bit high for spray paint, my guess is that knowing that people with unknown intentions had unsupervised access to military aircraft they demanded the planes on be stripped and re built to check for other sabotage.

The UK terrorism laws are unfortunately defined very broadly and can apply in the case of serious damage to property, not just intent to cause death and injury https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/07/uk-palestine-action-ban-disturbing-misuse-uk-counter-terrorism-legislation

There was also some controversy in that PA were grouped in with organisations which meet the more common definition of terrorism https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/7/2/uk-lawmakers-vote-to-ban-palestine-action-as-terror-group