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Title of the (concerning) thread on their community forum, not voluntary clickbait. Came across the thread thanks to a toot by @Khrys@mamot.fr (French speaking)

The gist of the issue raised by OP is that framework sponsors and promotes projects lead by known toxic and racists people (DHH among them).

I agree with the point made by the OP :

The “big tent” argument works fine if everyone plays by some basic civil rules of understanding. Stuff like code of conducts, moderation, anti-racism, surely those things we agree on? A big tent won’t work if you let in people that want to exterminate the others.

I'm disappointed in framework's answer so far

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[–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 50 points 2 days ago (16 children)

See.....when it comes to open source, it's a little different for me:

I don't support or condone any of these pricks, but I can mentally divorce, somewhat, the open source code contributions from the person, because their contributions are useful. If this was a closed source solution, it'd be different, because the code wouldn't be released into the community. There are a lot of weird, closet-dwelling shut ins that fall into the extremist margins.

A lot of early medical knowledge, for example, was acquired from.....less than morally clear ways. So do you just take that information and throw it away on principal? Does that make the death and pain of those people for nothing? Or do you use it and don't condone the person or their actions? This is a difficult moral choice to make that is heavily debated by philosophy, media, etc. There are entire SciFi TV episodes, movies, and books written about just such a debate.

That said, I don't know the usefulness of Hyprland. I've never used it and I feel like it's pretty niche, so I'm surprised Framework aren't telling this person to fuck off.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 45 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

To put it in terms of your analogy, it's one thing to use Mengele's research after he's been stopped. It's another entirely to give his research funding when he's actively running the program.

One is making use of knowledge that comes out of terrible things, the other is complicity that borders on collaboration.

[–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

That is fair. My example was extreme, though. These people are just assholes. Do you throw away the code of an asshole because they're an asshole?

I dunno.....I struggle with this internally. Maybe I'm wrong. It's a hard thing to rectify and I just wish people would stop being assholes to others.

[–] lama@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago

You don't fund them, that's for sure

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