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These things aren't different wtf?!?
You're talking about people that hold nostalgia to past regimes. This is the case in many African countries today. I'm trying to point out the idiocy of your statistic.
If you're using that as a justification of return to the USSR, i can equally use it as justification of return to colonialism in Africa
what does it even matter, this has nothing to do with anything, cowbee supports socialism?
what exactly is your argument, that its bad that they're supporting socialism because some people support colonialism?
cowbees argument is essentially they are bad but they help socialists and they may become socialist again, how is it relevant in any way that africa supports colonialism?
Not at all. I don't care what his aims are whether it were in justification of Nazism or feudalism. I'm saying it's wrong to use nostalgia polls as evidence that anything should be pursued, because that would be lending credence to Africans who reminisce about the easy times under colonial masters and actively vouch for a return to said system
But he didn't do that so...?
quote the part where he said we should do socialism because of a nostalgia poll?
Are you being intentionally obtuse?
That is the entire point of him citing that poll
No, he cited that poll because he supports socialism and russia is in favor of socialism. He did not say socialism is good because of the poll.
He didn't just cite the poll just for the purpose of just citing it. He cited it because he wants to show how socialism is popular and therefore should be pursued.
That is not what he said at all, he was explaining why he supports russia, you completely misunderstood his point, reread the conversation.
a simplified version of his claim:
"i support socialism, russia is strategically beneficial for socialism because they trade with socialists and may one day be socialist, as evidenced by [the poll in question], socialism being on the rise in russia is part of the reason i support them over western powers."
see how at no point in that claim did he say that socialism is good because it has popular support?
you didn't understand the assertion and guessed what he was saying and then treated him poorly based on that misinterpretation, you should apologize.
honestly why would anyone argue that socialism is good because a country likes it??
Sorry, I went back, read the comment and still don't see a direct assertion that socialism being on the rise in Russia is also part of why he supports it. The poll at best seems like a random addition to the point.
Regardless, if that IS what he was intending to say, then i would be willing to grant that my angle of attack regarding this specific issue is misplaced, but i did not get that initial impression.
That is both very obviously what he was saying and also makes all of his responses to you make sense, also it is very easily inferred, you just went with a very bad faith interpretation for no apparent reason.
you should apologize.
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml can you confirm
Yes, that is my point, you're correct. Though, I do think when combined with other points on the positives of socialism that its perception increasing in post-socialist countries is useful, though not by itself.
Hold on now. Let's not try to make it like i was intentionally trying to argue in bad faith here. I misunderstood his argument and to be fair to me, he did not try to point out that i misunderstood it. He only attempted to reassert and double down on his claims. This isn't about what is or isn't or should be obvious. It's about what actually happened.
And no, I'm not apologising to anyone. I made an error and i admit to that. That's about as much as you'll get from me.
https://lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz/post/57983013/21014971
what do you think this post is?
this doesn't change the fact that you should.
Well it's not him asserting that he cited the poll as justification for HIS OWN defence of a Russia that's for sure.
"Citing the fact that Russia has increasing support for socialism as proof of Russians having increased support for socialism is perfectly valid."
can you rephrase this sentence in your own words?
then
can you explain why he would say this?
I'm pretty sure Cowbee is not Russian, so i don't think he's attempting to refer to himself from a third person perspective there.
I interprete this as an argument in favour of the Russian populace and not himself.
I don't even vaguely understand what you're saying or what your interpretation of these words could be from this post.