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[–] TheRealKuni@piefed.social 12 points 2 months ago (9 children)

To play devil’s advocate (or perhaps God’s advocate?) if you leave behind the relatively recent “God is omniscient, omnipotent, and all-loving” thing, then bad things happening would be part of even a benevolent deity’s plan. That is to say, bad things are going to happen, working to find a balance that works out well in the long run would be the goal.

“God works all things together for the good of those who love and trust in Him” is a commonly misunderstood doctrine. It isn’t that nothing will ever be bad. It’s that even bad things are included in the plan.

(The Mistborn series, especially the third book in the first era and the books in the second era, does a good job with this concept. Also the final book in The Wheel of Time touches on it during the confrontation with the Dark One.)

So theoretically, even a Christian who despises Trump could say Trump’s presidency is “part of God’s plan.”

(But I’m guessing that’s not what most people mean when they say something like this.)

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 5 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Also Melkor's chaotic role in Eru Iluvatar's grand song.

[–] TheRealKuni@piefed.social 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Yes! I really need to read The Silmarillion again.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Audio book is my preferred, I can't do all the names in my head. Or Jess of the Shire's fabulous 30 minute retelling on a whiteboard, really impressive.

[–] TheRealKuni@piefed.social 2 points 2 months ago

I agree, the first time I finally made it through was when I rented it on cassette tape from my local library back in high school.

I’ll have to look up the retelling!

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