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what do you mean "by magic", the majority of human history was stateless
Yes, but it was also based on hunting and gathering. The state arose alongside technological improvements in production creating class society, we can't just look to early communalism and use it as the bedrock for future society.
The past is definitely not a guide for how to achieve a future society or how that society should look, but it does remind us that a society without a state can exist.
It's not the hard part, but when we're told that thoughts of a stateless society are fantastical it's good to remember that it has been done before.
Yes, and I agree with that. I'm a Marxist-Leninist, and do agree with abolition of the state, but that requires erasing the basis of class society.
Something impossible to achieve while maintaining the tools of oppression (authoritarianism/statehood) that protect and nurture such divisions
Other way around. Class society is what gives rise to the state, the state does not give rise to class society. The state is not above class struggle, or above the ruling class, but is representative of any given society's ruling class. To get rid of the state, you have to erase its basis, and thay requires collectivizing production and distribution. As ownership is collectivized, class is eroded, and the elements of the state that enforce class distinctions and uphold the ruling class such as an oppressive police force fade away and wither.
Do you want to go back to hunting gathereing? Anything further will inevitably create the classes.