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I really can't understand where this concept comes from because I've been up and down the East coast of the US and I've talked with a lot of different communities. I've found more listening ears and sympathetic people in the hoods, rural communities, impoverished suburbs, etc.
Is there reactionaries? Yes, of course, but the amount who actually want to harm people vs the amount who are relatively good, have no idea about politics, or are willing to hear out your side is vastly stark. Arguably 30/70, or even 50/50 if we are being vague. It also depends on where you go, I've found far more enemies in the gentrified downtowns of blue states than I have heavily mixed rural southern towns. Same with the mostly liberal colleges vs the impoverished suburbs.
The big thing is so many get caught up in the frequency illusion, especially with social media. The loudest and most annoying reactionaries online say the most insane shit because they feel untouchable and like they can get away with it, but that doesn't automatically translate to irl daily life. Those loud mfs are loud for a reason, they compensate for their lack by functioning off bias & anger and only invite the unhinged like them. Most people are not that invested, often because they have too much going on in their own lives or rely on establishment beliefs, or even no beliefs because they're disillusioned by the system and checked out of it all (which is a large chunk of the US rn).
America may have its higher than usual amount of reactionaries, but that's because we are a safe haven for them. At the end of the day there is far more potential allies than there is enemies and giving into the political nihilism and doomerism that "everyone is bad" is simply suicidal and unrealistic.
"Up and down the East Coast."
Ok, now try a Midwestern state. Texas, Tennessee, Indiana, etc. try living in a state where every neighbor thinks killing immigrants should be a legal past time and have a blue line or similar fascist flag on their truck, garage, etc. The opinion that there is no hope for this country in going socialist doesn't just shit out of our brains because we want to be doomers. It comes from a place of experience. Congrats on have good ones. Lots of us live in areas where our neighbors fornicate to the idea of murdering us.
Not to sound like your typical centrist dipshit, but I see merit in both sides. I think people are downvoting you unjustly. I've been along the coast like the other user said; but I've also lived in places like Florida where, yes, the "neighbors" fornicate to the idea of murdering anyone left of John Kerry.
I think simply a different approach is needed depending on where you are. Along the more "blue" states and even some red states along the coast, you absolutely can speak to people, participate in socialist organization or at the very least participate in community aid/mutual aid. When I was in Florida, where I was specifically, there was none of that. But there was a few like-minded leftists who hid their power level and were willing to train and organize in smaller cells, which is just as good.
It's really not as hard as some users make it out to probe the ideologues of a given person. If you're neurodivergent, then I totally understand the difficulty. 80 percent of the time, they will gladly tell you or loudly dogwhistle at you with certain phrases. In the other way, you just have to figure out how to ask them questions that aren't necessarily political. "Aren't you sick of having to work every single day for nothing?" is a bit of a extreme one but was a good one to filter out people who are responsive to the "message". It's just better to take the angle of "disgruntled blue-collar/white-collar person" rather than go right into preaching liberation till you find out who you're talking to.
I think that despite where you live, you still have to try. But also, I don't think some of the people who are simply telling you "nah it aint like that" actually have had multiple death-threats and rape-threats towards their closed loved ones or family. If they have, then they are unrealistic in what they expect of the average person to burden.
In terms of wider politics, I do genuinely think that any form of liberation in the core is impossible until the U.S loses more of the global economic grip that it has. Until the global extraction and resource extraction of the global south is hampered (as it is currently and we are seeing the U.S absolutely thrash the fuck out in it's dying days) the U.S will lose more and more grip and it's international ruling class will be weakened. It will be forced to turn towards domestic needs and by then, it will be either too late or they'll take the approach of barbarism; thus sounds the knell. That doesn't mean you shouldn't be preparing, though, or that you can sit back and wait.
edit: Genuinely, I wish I could see who downvotes these and adds no criticism or thought of their own too it. It would be easier to add them to a block-list if it's for some stupid fucking reason.
Who is this nebulous “average person” that you speak of? Is it the worker who harbours racist opinions of his non white co workers and dreams of dialling ICE to kick them out of the country? Is it the store owner who criminally underpays his non white employees or is it the CEO who supports immigration as long as it leads to cheaper labour
I'm talking about, lined out explicitly in the rest of what I said, the person who would be engaging politically with others for the purpose of organizing or finding like-minded people. People like us. I don't think the average person can withstand constant threats or the usual rhetoric thrown at someone who is participating in socialist politics. I know I've had a lot. I don't expect the average comrade to be able to handle all of that without significant anxiety or without support.
I'm not exactly sure where you got what you said from what I said above. The user I was replying to was talking about how a good chunk of this country have some brain-worms and those can be quite violent and/or dangerous towards leftists and even lib-shits and I was saying that anyone who doesn't think they can be that violent/dangerous towards leftists are wrong and the ones who can handle it shouldn't expect other leftists to handle it emotionally or mentally without support.
Are you talking about something else I said? That is where "average person" is quoted. Sorry if I am misunderstanding you.