Darkcommie
Last time Im pointing out the absurdity in your argument you don’t have any nuance to add because you have no stake in this convo you said it yourself if I’m idealistic for pointing out that veterans are a lost cause and showing evidence for it then you and the rest of your “leftist” buddies are nothing more than adventurists masquerading as serious people I have tried to make you see sense but I can see that you too convinced by the sniff of your own fart to listen
“No historically or materially analysis” sure dude good luck trying to split the military ideologically and I’m the idealist here whats next we should split the police ideologically
It’s actually not that hard to believe before Iraq and Afghanistan the us army was trained to fight the soviet union and so their transition to being an anti insurgency force was pretty slow and didn’t start till after 9/11, it also didn’t help that by 2010 they effectively gave up on Afghanistan and Iraq
The support arms are the ones doing the tracking and identifying and even the fighting is iffy since most of the time whenever they encounter insurgents the US just calls in an air strike, artillery or mortar team
To learn how something works you have learn about it to be ready for it you have to train you don’t need to be batman
Im not a leftcom im not even sure why you think im a leftcom Just explain something to me from your posts you seem to value veterans to an unreasonable degree why is that?
Im responding to the points thats why each answer is different you seem like your arguing because you want to argue go outside also fighting against an insurgency doesnt translate to knowing at a deep level how that insurgency functions operates etc they may be two sides of the same coin but they’re not the same both require two different skill sets, you’re better off trying to recruit former insurgents from Afghanistan, Iraq, Northern Ireland and etc rather than recruiting from veterans who’ve served in infantry this convo is starting to piss me off im done engaging
Simple frontline troops don’t know how to be an insurgent because being an insurgent and a frontline soldier are too different things they can be taught but they don’t know it from the get go
I would hope one is not basing their organization with others on probabilities of whether someone committed atrocities, rather than concrete information on whether they did and whether they have turned around as a person.
Already talked about this
Do you really want to ally with someone who had a very good chance of having committed atrocities during their services regardless of if they felt bad about it? And even if they committed no war crimes why should we recruit them?
I don’t know that I would personally trust imperial core combat veterans as combatants in a revolutionary context, but it’s possible they could still provide advice and training under the right kind of supervision.
Most of these frontline infantry men have served in Iraq or Afghanistan any advice they give is going to be useless for whatever type of war you think you’ll be fighting 1) tactics and habits learned in counter insurgency doesn't translate to running and operating an actual insurgency 2) the type of war they're involved in is outdated 3) literally just train
That said, plenty of veterans won’t have been direct combatants but could still have logistical skills or advice, or knowledge from basic training that they can help others get on track with.
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Unless their specialised they have nothing to offer
But this feels a bit navel-gazing out of context of an actual revolutionary vanguard party. There does not appear to be that much of a “left” in the US for example and in the current climate, a civil war between constitutional loyalists and Trumpian fascists seems more likely than a “left” revolution.
I agree which makes me wonder what the point if all this arguing is