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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (12 children)

What's preferred by Europeans, permanent standard time or permanent daylight time?

[–] octo_comrade@sh.itjust.works 38 points 1 day ago (2 children)

For me summer time (where we have light during the evening) is the best! Nothing comes even close to it

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean, you could do it in winter when you actually need more daylight time... Or just go to work and come home in the dark and take vitamin D supplements all your life.

[–] Opisek@piefed.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

In the winter you come home in the dark anyway. Daylight saving does jack except make my morning even darker.

[–] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Oh, no - it’s not just making your morning darker! By making you wake up earlier in comparison to the natural rise of the sun, which shifts you farther outside your natural circadian rhythm than capitalism already does, you experience an effect similar to what people on the trailing edge of time zones experience, at least for a time. These include higher incidences of obesity, diabetes, heart disease, and breast cancer. Oh, and increased rates of suicide.

…yay.

Edit: I love that every time I wade into the DST debate and present evidence that DST is garbage and we should all be starting our day later, I get downvoted or argued with by some person who thinks that because they get more sun in the evening, they are a better judge of the right approach to health than peer reviewed science.

[–] fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

And to think that we should technically be GMT instead of CET... You are proposing us to be GMT+2 forever haha.

[–] remon@ani.social 21 points 1 day ago

I really don't care, just stop the switching.

[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

In Iceland we have permanent Summer time and it's great. We go to work in the dark in either case during winter but having some daylight until 4 or 5 makes a big difference.

[–] Jajcus@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Depends which side of EU. Same time for Spain and Poland makes little sense.

[–] fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Spain should be GMT though, it's quite literally below Greenwich.

[–] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Almost half of France is west of Greenwich, let alone Spain...

[–] fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah, it freaking goes through the Pyrenees! The only reason we are CET is because our former dictator wanted to be buddies with evil Chaplin Germany.

We really should go with GMT/UTC

[–] Damage@feddit.it 4 points 1 day ago

Only if you care having daily events at the same time everywhere. For coordinating across countries it's much easier to be all in the same timezones and just know that those to the east will wake, eat and so on earlier than those in the west, because there's going to be differences anyway.
That's my opinion after working internationally all my life.

[–] Nanook@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 day ago

Summertime makes sense for both

[–] Localhorst86@feddit.org 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As a german, I'd prefer permanent daylight time, I want there to be longer light in the evening. I hate when during the winter months I leave the appartment when it is still dark outside and come back home when it's already dusk.

That said, I can see why this wouldn't work across the entire EU, Spain for example is already "an hour behind" in terms of daylight, because of their location, their DST means it's probably light outside at 22:00

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Fun fact, so is France Netherlands and Belgium. They should be on British time if the lines were drawn properly.

The reason they're on German time? Nazis. They're were switched to German time while occupied during WW2, and while debate raged afterward they ultimately stayed on German time.

[–] rbn@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 day ago

I think scientific research is quite clear that a permanent standard / winter time is healthier and objectively the better choice.

Personally, I'd still prefer a permanent summer/ daylight saving time. During summer, when days are long, I don't really care. But in winter it's usually still dark when I start working and already dark when I finish. With permanent summer time, it might be slightly harder to get up in the morning, but I could at least get a bit of light in the afternoon.

Permanent no-time-change time

[–] Natanael@infosec.pub 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Standard (brighter mornings) is better for health

[–] greenbit@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago

Closest to solar time is the truth and it's annoying that something else is even considered a discussion

[–] Damage@feddit.it 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's in the article

Indeed, 84 percent of the 6.4 million Europeans who participated in a 2018 European Commission public consultation on the matter said the bloc should put an end to daylight saving time.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Eh often that's said just to mean end switching, without specifying which one to end up on.

[–] Kissaki@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago

Honestly, either way people and companies could adjust their hours to fit their needs.