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[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 34 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (7 children)

Why the constant gay-shaming of fascists?? Is being a fascist thats secretly gay somehow worse than being a cishet fascist?

Edit: what about openly gay fascists?

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 26 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Honestly don't see this as gay shaming. Thats just how fascist (and many of the terminally online generally) name themselves on twitter sometimes

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 months ago

Idk where you got it from but Im not gonna give the libs on here the benefit of the doubt that they will read this and think its an epic own that calls fascists slur

[–] stray@pawb.social 24 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It doesn't read like it's referencing homosexuality to me. Sucking someone's dick is commonly used to refer to sycophantic behavior. The idea is allowing yourself to be used by a socially dominant figure as a means of currying favor to better your own social position beneath them.

Like I don't think kissing ass has anything to do with people actually enjoying anal play.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 months ago

Calling someone a

slurcocks*cker
is widely accepted as a homophobic slur, and imo is rather obviously the root of the idea that a person sucking cock is "allowing themself to be used by a dominant figure" as you so neatly put it. The whole idea that the person getting their cock sucked is dominating the person sucking their cock is homophobic. It treats the person sucking cock as lesser. It's how you got the societal taboo of giving a woman oral sex, which admittedly is almost unheard of nowadays, but it used to be that going down on a woman was seeing as feminizing (since you're getting dominated by a woman) and therefore gay.

Asskissing has a completely different origin going back to a poem by Götz von Berlichingen. It comes from a completely different context even though they both are used as largely replaceable idioms.

I should come up with a copy-pasteable answer at some point.

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 23 points 3 months ago

You misunderstand, they usually make their usernames stuff like this because it's edgy or crude. This wasn't done to call them gay or anything. This is what they already do.

Just Google "DOGE BigBalls" to see an example

[–] JesusChristLover420@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

hitlerball_lover1488 may well be a woman who wants to gargle Hitler's singular testicle. I'd ask you to in the future please be more mindful of when you assume a stranger online to be a man.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It WaSnT hOmOpHoBiC iT wAs MiSoGyNiStIc

every. fucking. time.

[–] JesusChristLover420@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 3 months ago (4 children)

I'm just having a bit of fun with you, no hard feelings. I know most Nazis are men. It's just, I don't think most Nazis who want to have sex with Hitler are gay. I think Nazi fetishism transcends sexuality. For Nazis, sex isn't about attraction or love or anything like that, it's about power. Nazis will fuck anyone: their wives, their superiors, their inferiors, even children, and it's not motivated by sexual attraction. It's motivated by sex as a display of dominance and submission. Sex is a means of reinforcing social hierarchy to Nazis. It's not about love.

For gay people, sex is about love.

[–] Kefla@hexbear.net 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

For gay people, sex is about love.

Speak for yourself I'm here to cum

(Maybe I'm just not gay enough for the transcendent love-only orgasms flag-bi-pride)

Sincerest apologies, my good slut

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What then baffles me is why this is used by the anti-fascists? Why is it not just taken at face value, but the whole idea of a person getting their mouth stuffed is treated as ick and can only be because the "dominating" person has him do this.

[–] JesusChristLover420@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

There's nothing wrong with wanting balls in your mouth, but there's a lot wrong with wanting Hitler's lonesome ball in your mouth, because Hitler was a genocidal fascist dictator. I'm sorry, but your point that we shouldn't judge Nazis for wanting to gargle Hitler's unitary ball is harmful and displays an alarming complicity with fascism. It's not okay to fuck Nazis.

To paraphrase an old German joke, what do you call ten men gangbanging Goebbels? That's right, eleven Nazis.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

But they don't literally want to suck dick do they? The whole "they want to gargle hitlers ball" is just a euphemism for them allegedly wanting to be able to submit and get owned completely by someone higher up. I'm not judging nazis for wanting to suck dick, I'm judging liberals for using dicksucking as a euphemism for deplorable, sycophantic behavior.

Furthermore I'd like to add, Mathemachristian, a Nazi girl gave me some of the best sex I've ever had. But when she said the Jews control the media, I dumped her then and there. Did I look back? Of course, she was freaky as fuck. But I didn't waver in my principles. And you shouldn't be acting like it's okay to fuck Nazis, because it isn't.

[–] davepleasebehave@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

everything is about sex.

Except sex, sex is about power.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] davepleasebehave@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's attributed to Oscar Wilde.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago

So? I mean seems it's a wrong attribution anyway^[https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/24100/what-is-the-original-source-of-everything-in-the-world-is-about-sex-except-sex] and instead was a way of dismissively(?) summarizing freudian psychoanalysis

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Huh. Interesting. Do you know any WWII scholars who will back you up on this?

[–] JesusChristLover420@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

No, but I know of an associate professor of literature who will. Look up Jakub Rawski's 2017 article, "Sexy Fascism: Exemplifying the Relationship between Sex and Power".

What is revealed here is the homoerotic character of Nazism.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You don’t have to be gay to be an asshole. Plenty of straight people, gay people, cis people, people of color, trans people can be fascists and assholes. It’s not like being LGBTQ gives you some kind of a pass to be a dickhead.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Then why the need to insert gay sex into it? The whole "Trump sucks off Putin", "The billionaires suck off Trump", like whats the punchline here? "Lol its like they're being gay with eachother"? "Ewww he's letting himself get used like some gay"?

[–] trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Sucking someone off is a submissive sex act, thats the point of saying that.

This "saying trump is sucking someone off is homophobic" thing is just lack of reading comprehension.

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)
[–] trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Im just saying thats how it is commonly characterised and understood in this context.

I have given my fair share of dominant blowjobs.

[–] sobchak@programming.dev 5 points 3 months ago

Hmm, I've never seen performing oral sex as being submissive, necessarily. It can be a quite active act; aggressive even.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Characterising gay men who like to suck dick as "submissive" is harmful. And therefore homophobic. Fellating someone is not being submissive, getting fellated is not dominating. It can be, in a dom/sub context, but it is not in itself an act with a dom/sub dynamic and characterizing it as such leads to people seeing gay people as more submissive, effeminate, and, in a patriarchal society, therefore as lesser. This whole "the person getting penetrated is the submissive part" as if they're "letting it happen" or are doing it for the benefit of the other party needs to die out. It's sexist and homophobic. I don't need to dominate my partner when having sex with her, nor do I need to submit or be passive or whatever when fellating her.

[–] trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Your friend thats too woke

[–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 months ago

sucking dick is used as a metaphor for sycophantic behaviour

"gay" is not the punchline

[–] urandom@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It seems gay fascists, open or otherwise, is a level of idiocy even above that of non gay ones, judging by the outcome of the dude in the Wikipedia article you linked to

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago

Ok, and that makes them more, less or the same amount of deserving of getting the wall?

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago