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Those who used it imagined Swiss law to be less intrusive? I suppose it sounds like a good idea to anyone, which is mostly everyone, who doesn't know Swiss law.
Yeah, they rolled over to the authority, as expected. But, they sold themselves as "private", not "private up to the extent of Swiss law, and our laws here are very intrusive, so really the private part isn't going to get anyone very far if they use this service for anything slightly questionable, let alone outright illegal. You might as well be using GMail for how 'private' this thing is."
Nice, this proton apologist knows what everyone would do in their position.
Originally the CEO said they would pack up and leave Switzerland if the government continued its course.
So apparently there is more than just one option.
Hey, I get it. When you put all your eggs in one basket you are committed. Personally I don't commit to any corporation, especially ones that try to sell "privacy".
Companies balk at legal orders all the time.
Listen, you are just wrong at this point and you keep digging yourself deeper looking more and more ridiculous.
Do you own stock in Proton or something or are you just a subscriber? Because your relentless fanboyism gets old quick.
Google, Microsoft, Apple, IBM, etc have all refused court orders and no one went to prison. Your suggestion that Proton's administration would be immediately held criminally responsible and locked up without a trial is extremely fucking bizarre.
You are the worst kind of fanboi, one without any logic or common sense. A real bootlicker.
Here come the excuses. Time to move the goalpost again Cripty.
I remember years ago when I explained how the Proton business model was basically "We follow Swiss Law" and how stupid that is because literally every company operating in Switzerland has to do this.
I brought up the fact that they will have to follow government requests by law, and because they are small they won't be able to push back. Produmb users denied this saying they would never give in to government requests. I laughed and still do about the naiveness you seem to all share.
Unlike you I do genuinely feel sorry for you because you have been duped. You believe without evidence that they are different. This corporation is just like all the others. Their saber rattling threatening to leave trying to influence the government is textbook corporatism.
I find your argument against the US very telling. You are clearly butthurt and want to blame everyone else for your shitty decision to defend a corporation that does not give a single fuck about you.
Sorry that you hate people from the US. Next time just be honest that you are just a xenophobic asshole and save us all the time.
Your all over the place that is for sure. More whataboutism than a russian and also a corporate bootlicker to boot (pun intended). The way you blame people for shit they have nothing to do with is also bizarre.
You also totally won whatever the hell you think this was. Cheers!
Edit: I would be remiss not to mention I do generally agree with your sentiment.
Lol, the guy who thinks he knows how to criticize the US. Reminds me of myself 30 years ago. I said I agreed with your sentiment, not your logic.
The popular myth is that Swiss privacy law is so strong that banks can hide gold and profits for major criminals. It wasn't to Proton's benefit to correct that.
It is called deception. All email providers in Switzerland have to follow Swiss Privacy laws.
This is no different than companies advertising licensed and bonded when every company legally has been licensed and bonded. Note that this practice of advertising what is required by law is actually illegal in a lot of places.
They sold a convenient lie and got rich doing so. Now we get to sit here on Lemmy and watch them try to justify another corporation shiting on them while they give them more money. The Proton defenders are a special kind of stupid.
No, they sold themselves as “private up to the extent of Swiss law”.
Please show any Wayback Machine link for that quote on Proton's site. I can find 'your privacy comes first'. I didn't find 'up to the extent of Swiss law' yet.
Here you go: https://proton.me/mail
Just scroll down. Each selling point is marked with title case text, followed by their reasoning.
Under the first one that mentions privacy ( Highest standards of privacy) it says:
The entirety of their reasoning behind their claim of “Highest standards of privacy”, right on their main landing page is based on the limitations of Swiss Law and literally nothing else. It even contains a link to a blog post where they go into detail on how Swiss Law affects what they can and can’t do lol.
Can you find me a way back machine link to their website where they told you that they aren’t subject to or otherwise do not comply with Swiss law?
I don't find your earlier quote on that page anywhere.
Why would I do that? My claim is not that they ever said that explicitly, but that their marketing claimed 'your privacy came first' without any similar-size mention how it would be limited by Swiss law. It was not in their interest to explain that the Swiss courts can order them to track and shop French climate activists.
Here’s a screenshot
Their marketing around privacy as it exists right now is extremely up front and detailed about the fact that it’s based on Swiss law. If you’re going to claim that at some point in time it didn’t, you’re going to have to show some kind of proof of that. I don’t recall any time in the last few years that they weren’t touting Swiss law as the very basis for their privacy claims.