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Again you assume we can just pressure China into doing something, when I have more than once stated that China is not internationalist at this time. Why is it so hard to admit that China, as Marxists should just be helping Palestine more? It should not take other Marxists pressuring them to do that.
So, exactly what I said. At the end according to you, WE are at fault for China not being internationalist with Palestine, so the problem is not their stance, the problem is that we disagree with that stance and since we can't change it, we are at fault. It makes absolutely zero sense, AGAIN, it is excusing China and shifting the blame on the powerless. Besides, saying China, a Marxist-Leninist state is not internationalist and not doing enough for Palestine is geopolitical theory and therefore we are idealists because WE can't change how China acts? There's is just no way.
What theory? Doing one tame criticism of China is not the same as postulating theory. We are not analyzing China and trying to understand why it is not internationalist and trying to learn from their experience, we are simply saying, THEY SHOULD help more as a Marxist-Leninist state.
I'm sorry but I'm done with this discussion. I have reiterated the same points and explained the same things over and over again and I don't feel like doing it anymore, I'm disengaging.
So you have... material constraints... where you have to make strategic concessions... despite a genocide.
Idealism here is waving angry fists at clouds and considering what pretty much about amounts to debate-bro non-actionable "arguments", and then saying that counts as marxism.
The hubris to consider that a country with about 100 million party members have not considered the implications of what actions to take and not take is unbelievable. From people who have achieved far less. Idealism is probably an understatement. The CPC have material constraints - of which their decisions from that may not be to our liking when it less than utopian ideal in our heads - but like I said we are meant to be dialectical materialists.
This really isn't that hard. And this isn't even a defence of the PRC. It's an attack on liberal idealistic thinking.