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As U.S. and E.U. Retreat on Climate, China Takes the Leadership Role (e360.yale.edu)

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COP30 in Belém may well be remembered as the moment that the world accepted the leading role of China in addressing humanity’s most important challenge.

but now the E.U. is beset by internal problems. Its primary industrial economy, Germany, is suffering from Chinese competition, and with the rise of right-wing parties, resistance has emerged to the ambitious climate policies of the European Commission. One symptom of these internal troubles was the E.U.’s embarrassing failure to agree its own mitigation targets before the informal deadline of September 30.

The United States, meanwhile, is trying to force its partner countries to buy more U.S. oil and gas.

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[–] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 days ago (2 children)

That's the amazing thing about China, you blink and your info is out of date. China's emissions have peaked and are going down now. Way before the promised 2035 deadline from your post. China under promised and over delivered. Let me guess, your response will start at but at what cost?

https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/environment/ahead-of-cop30-china-shows-the-way-co-emissions-flatten-for-18-months-renewables-surge

[–] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Have you read the comment you are responding to?

Nowhere does it state China keeps increasing CO2 emissions. It states China's own target goals are insufficient.

[–] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

And that's what I responded to. China is now surpassing their goals. It did take them a while to start actually decreasing, but they're doing it now. But if you look back even a few years ago, they were missing it. I'm not saying the information the OP posted is wrong. Only, it's now changed so rapidly they're going to hit their targets even though as he points out, they missed it in the period of 2020 - 2025.

[–] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

China's emissions have peaked and are going down now. Way before the promised 2035 deadline from your post.

The 2035 deadline is not for the emission peak. It's for the 7 - 10% emission reduction from the current peak. The difference between 7% and 30% is very much significant.

Plus how has information changed?? The article linked is from 5 days ago. Nowhere is the period from 2020 to 2025 mentioned, neither in this comment nor in the article.

Are you an LLM? Because your reading comprehension sure is no different than one.

[–] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Here's a quote from the article.

China is also on track to miss its 2020–25 goal of cutting carbon intensity

I mean if your not even going to read the article, I'm not going to respond any further.

[–] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

That's your article. I was talking about the articles OP linked which do not contain this phrase anywhere.

I'm not about to discuss an article that is completely irrelevant for OP's point.

[–] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 days ago

I see, so your argument now is new evidence is pointless. Therefore information from thousands of years ago is true regardless of new info. I guess gravity is f=ma and the theory of relativity is pretend because it doesn't fit your timeline.

[–] Sepia@mander.xyz -1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

@Joncash2@lemmy.ml

No, I don't say, "at what cost" ... I say the same as in my initial comment: China is far away from any leadership position when it comes to climate change. You need to read a bit more from your own post than just the headline:

While China appears to be outperforming on its peak emissions pledge, some sectors are moving in the opposite direction. Transport emissions fell by five per cent in Q3, but plastics and chemical production saw a 10 per cent rise. China is also on track to miss its 2020–25 goal of cutting carbon intensity — emissions per unit of GDP — meaning steeper reductions will be required ...

In September, China announced its new 2035 target: cutting total greenhouse gas emissions by 7–10 per cent from their peak. Experts say the target is modest ...

Your linked report contains practically the same content as mine, it's just that the title appears to be a bit more positive; but that's unjustified. China is not on track, let alone in a leadership position. Just read the links in my previous comment above.

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[–] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 days ago

That's worded weird. It's because they only started decreasing emissions in the last year. So using the 4 years prior to the last year or 2020-2024, of course they missed it. It's like if you just bought a car and someone came and said well for the 4 years prior you didn't have a car, so you're not a car owner.