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[–] JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That's exactly what I wanted to say: 30 is one of the most common speeds in the EU. They are not new and have been around since the 70s/80s. Cities are pushing for 30 as a default speed. You have thousands and thousands of kilometres of residential streets with T30. If you do not optimize for that as a manufacturer, you shouldn't build cars.

[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That’s exactly what I wanted to say: 30 is one of the most common speeds in the EU. They are not new and have been around since the 70s/80s.

As far as I know, the city speed limit is 50 km/h for a very long time. In the 199x, when I got my driver license it was it, the push for the 30 km/h limit is a relatively new thing, maybe last 5 years. Not to say that before there where not some 30 km/h zones in cities, but the default in every urban center (small or big) is/was 50.

Cities are pushing for 30 as a default speed.

Now yes, but is a relatively recent thing, and only for big cities.

You have thousands and thousands of kilometres of residential streets with T30. If you do not optimize for that as a manufacturer, you shouldn’t build cars.

Italy currently has an estimated total 2700 km of 30 km/h residential streets. My city alone (Milan) has about 58.0000 km of streets (only residential streets, the total is way higher).
Maybe manufacturer are not that dumb if they do not optimize the engine for the equivalent of the (less then) 5% of the streets of just one city in a state.

And I suppose that other states are in a somewhat similar situation.

[–] Kornblumenratte@feddit.org 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Lower speed limits also yielded environmental benefits, with emissions decreasing on average by 18%, noise pollution levels by 2.5 dB, and fuel consumption by 7%, indicating enhanced fuel efficiency and reduced environmental impact.

Review of City-Wide 30 km/h Speed Limit Benefits in Europe

In this study they did not look into the reduction of particulate matter from tire and brake abrasion, which is a major source of pollution caused by cars, so the environmental benefit is even greater than they found.

[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 points 5 days ago

I agree, but we are discussing why manufacturers are not idiot to not optimize engines for the speed limit of a very (for now, I agree) percentual of the streets.