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[–] KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

To my knowledge Americans have never given Democrats a chance, the Democrats haven't had a majority capable of pushing a bill through without Republican participation since 2008 and Republicans have been remarkably consistent at pulling the party together to stonewall Democrats so they look ineffective.

I mean the Democrats are often ineffective but at least punish them for the failures they make on their own merits, like the recent agreement to reopen the government.

[–] Niquarl@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They had a majority in the House from 2006 to 2010 and from 2008 to 2014 in the Senate. It's not like the GOP has been in power forever. And again in the Senate from 2022 to 2024 and from 2018 to 2022 in the House.

There's a reason why some people dont really believe in them

[–] KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I was referring specifically to Senate, however it's a long messy history, let me go on GovTrack.us and see if I can find the senate records to explain what I mean

Edit: there it is,

✓On the opening day of the One Hundred Seventeenth Congress, the U.S. Senate was comprised of 51 Republicans, 46 Democrats, 2 Independents (who caucused with the Democrats), and 1 vacancy. No candidate received a majority of votes in the general election for Georgia's class 2 seat or in the special election for Georgia's class 3 seat. Runoff elections for both of the state's Senate seats were scheduled for January 5, 2021. Democratic candidates won both elections. Following the inauguration of Vice President Kamala D. Harris on January 20, 2021, the Senate had a Democratic majority, comprised of 50 Republicans, 48 Democrats, and 2 Independents (who caucus with the Democrats). The Vice President is able to cast tie-breaking votes in the Senate. See United States Senate, "Party Division," https://www.senate.gov/history/partydiv.htm. Office of the Historian: history@mail.house.gov Office of Art & Archives, Office of the Clerk: art@mail.house.gov, archives@mail.house.gov

The below information is a tie which effectively allowed for stonewalling. Yes if all Democratic senators, 2 independents and the vice president voted together they could push things through. However the fact of the matter is they don't tow the party line like Republicans and vote more independently. Perhaps a party failure but I see that as a tenant of a functioning democracy.

You could make the argument against an enemy willing to use those tactics not using them Is a failure to the people but I'd argue the smarter thing as individuals would be to blame Republicans and vote them out of positions of power.

And before that the last time they had a majority was 2009 to 2011

[–] Niquarl@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yes of course I am not personally sympathic to GOP but at least they seem to be giving their voters want they want on their key issues. Do D do this? If you want people to want to vote for you need to give the impression, even falsely, that you will deliver and the democrats seem to have lost the ability to do that.

[–] KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Agreed but it's much easier to give voters what they want when you spend billions on propaganda either directly or indirectly through Russian state actors. More like they acted in their own interest and dreamed up a narrative to convince the common man it was there's too. Now, no doubt they're effective political tools, hats off to them but it's a lot easier to align men with their own greed than a common path forward for society.