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[–] 666@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

How the fuck can you betray Gaza as China, realistically, short of an actual military intervention?

Like what the fuck do these people want? I see @cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml other comment about the frustration but what the fuck has any nation-state or the previous warlords before the Communist Party of China done historically for Gaza until now?

They do not think in realpolitik.

edit: should specify by now I mean in the past few decades. Very short-sighted of me but I will admit I am a bit intoxicated.

[–] Commiejones@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 day ago (6 children)

They have been bamboozled by a clever anti-communist line.

The us played this really well. They presented a no win scenario and China and Russia did the best of bad options and the us managed to have people in place to push the "stabbed in the back" line and people are eating it up.

[–] 666@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

I don't fucking understand the immature shit-bag that keeps downvoting your comments. Seems to be a persistent ghost.

They did indeed. Now for most people they genuinely seem to cannot put two-to-two together and realize that the entire fucking ORGAN THEY ARE VOTING ON IS ENTIRELY SUBSUMED BY IMPERIAL INTERESTS SINCE IT'S INCEPTION.

“stabbed in the back” line and people are eating it up.

We are truly living in the times of Weimar Germany, except it's almost psychedelic at this point. We are witnessing the creations of columns that serve the interest of every facet of capital. Losurdo, of course.

[–] mao_dun@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

since Electric Antifada was mentioned earlier... ok so I'm not super familiar with them and I'm not pointing fingers at them specifically, just English-language news media overall, but - maybe a bit conspiracy theory-brained of me, but - I'm questioning where this wave is coming from. China and Russia have been nothing but consistent, and really this is nothing unusual, especially to people who have been actually paying attention and ability to remember milestone events.

the tumblrinas I've seen buoy the "China and Russia are traitors" thing have been, yes, the usual suspects (anticommunist leftists/people with "tankie" as a pejorative in their vocab, tho lately they've been nitpicking since I guess they now identify as 'tankie' and been using "chinese/russian nationalists" as their pejorative, and just straight-up leftcoms) but among them are people who I distinctly recall espousing afro-pessimism* and calling other tumblr users from the periphery (particularly latam) "antiblack" for using the word "usamerican" (to distinguish US americans from other people who live in both continents) -- and for a long time I've suspected these people to be plants at worst but more likely convenient stooges to vector anticommunism and disunity - against budding communists in the imperial core to make connections with those either more seasoned or from the periphery. UGH, name-calling is just such an easy way to shut down peoples' brains and stop them from turning on analysis functions and critical thinking or even just looking for sources.

*uh oh I'm feeling ranty again... alright. you've been warned. afropessimism. whenever and wherever I bump into it, it makes me feel like im going insane, like these people will go onto xiaohongshu and tell chinese people they're all racist against black people because they think chinese people are basically white which automatically makes them antiblack, ,, antiblackness is king, it's above all and it's immutable, but also it's incomparable to racism that nonblack people experience and because they could never intimately understand or experience real true racism at the heart of this world which is antiblackness. please, tell me more about how oppressed peoples of the world could never understand each other and should be forever divided, until maybe some world savior perhaps of the black variety instead of white comes to liberate us all. did i ever mention that afropessimists hate marxism for some reason, hm, maybe that's by design!! maybe, just maybe someone doesn't want a Black Panther Party 2.0, reading ML literature and all, to come back in the heartland of imperialism (edit for moderation: black struggles are real and hard! and yes I can't say I fully understand because I don't live it but it doesn't mean I or any other nonblack folk can't try to understand, including understanding enough to make a difference, and nor is it the struggle that has primacy over all others)

[–] demerit@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

I mean black americans arent exempt from being manipulated by the empire. Afropessism is basically just early stage black zionism. Especially since there has been a cultural drive to assimilate them into the empire - see Beyonce dressed as a cowboy, or Nicki Minaj speaking to defend Christians in Nigeria, or Queen Charlotte, or Kamala discourse, where people justified the genocide of Palestinians via the historic arab slave trade & anti-black racism in the middle east.

[–] Commiejones@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 day ago

The E.I. crew are nearly beyond reproach. I have immense respect for them and the work they do. This was the bigest L I have seen from them. The guest who was pushing the narrative was Craig Mokhiber who used to work at the UN. Ali kept referencing an article mokhiber wrote so I think that is where his bad takes came from but I suspect mokhiber got that bad take from someone else.

I imagine a "source" at the UN is the one who poisoned the well on this. I suspect they have been stirring this this anti-China/Russia play by carefully worded "leaks" to certain members of the alternative press.

[–] 666@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 day ago

it’s above all and it’s immutable, but also it’s incomparable to racism that nonblack people experience and because they could never intimately understand or experience real true racism at the heart of this world which is antiblackness.

[insert that Trotsky quote about hitler particles here]

In general though, it's really weird seeing those who have stood by and supported China suddenly twisting into a pretzel to condemn them despite they haven't even had a break from their usual behavior.

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