GenZedong

I completely understand the frustration. But unfortunately a veto wouldn't realistically achieve much other than leave Gaza with no peace plan at all.

I think that the people who criticize China the harshest for not doing enough for Palestine are overestimating China's power and influence in this specific situation, and they are putting an impossibly high standard on China that they are not putting on their own governments, or even on the governments of the Arab countries who are much closer to Palestine and have a much bigger responsibility and obligation to involve themselves than China does. It is happening in their backyard, not in China's, so why aren't they doing more?

I'm of the opinion (echoing analysis I've seen recently but can't remember who said it, sorry) that a veto in this particular case is actually worse than abstaining because

1. playing field for diplomacy is and must be states as the entities - if you go with smaller factions organized in forms that aren't recognizable as such to an international body, we get into shit and muddied fields such as enemies making deals diplomacy etc with separatist groups. Palestinian resistance groups are many and not exactly cohesive as acting as one state-resembling unit and while the 2024 Beijing Declaration had got many of them together, right now most of the international body still sees the Palestinian Authority, which we know are collaborationist with the Zionist entity, as the defacto representative of Palestine. Sticking with the principle of doing diplomacy with states as the actor-entities, aligns with China's steadfast and consistent call for the Two-State solution. This is a thing that has been unpopular since Day 0 with the pro-Palestine crowd in the western left (who I think see the word "solution" and think that would be the end of it and that Palestine would mire in perpetual genocidal relation with its neighbor like Armenia-Azerbaijan, rather than statehood being a very powerful tool!), something I think is quite relevant to this whole shebang. All that as a preface to say, the responsibility and burden to free Palestine should ALSO rest with their neighbors, their cultural brethren-Arab nations. It would be paternalistic/patronizing and against the spirit of respecting other nations' sovereignty (foundational to anti-imperialism) - which would include what happens in ones' neighborhood - to VETO when other Arab states in MENA have voted FOR this plan - HI ALGERIA!!! If more MENA states would have shown up for AGAINST then China and Russia would have more reason to back that consensus and VETO. And in everything but especially in the arena of diplomacy, China (and Russia) cannot simply decide they represent the will of anyone other than themselves including MENA, including Arab nations, including Palestinians. IDK maybe I'm stupid but I think principles with very good reasons should be upheld AND it's not a betrayal because literally the UN/UNSC isn't the only playing field omg because...
2. ...obviously China and Russia have more material and meaningful ways to support Palestine outside of the UN/UNSC
3. even if the proposal clearly penned by the US that 'passed' is vague and only reports infrequently (iirc it calls for yearly stats reported to the UN/UNSC/appropriate division i think its just called BoP), that's still better than them going ahead with their nefarious plans completely behind closed doors in the dark.

How the fuck can you betray Gaza as China, realistically, short of an actual military intervention?

Like what the fuck do these people want? I see @cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml other comment about the frustration but what the fuck has any nation-state or the previous warlords before the Communist Party of China done historically for Gaza until now?

They do not think in realpolitik.

edit: should specify by now I mean in the past few decades. Very short-sighted of me but I will admit I am a bit intoxicated.