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[–] sirber@lemmy.ca 42 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

How does Python know if it's my list or not?

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

if isinstance(mylist, list) and not mylist

Problem solved.

Or if not mylist # check if list is empty

[–] sirber@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think you missed the joke 😅

[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

I thought it was funny!

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You’re checking if mylist is falsey. Sometimes that’s the same as checking if it’s empty, if it’s actually a list, but that’s not guaranteed.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Doesn't Python treat all empty iterables as false tho? This isn't unique to python, is it? (though I'm not a programmer...just a dude who writes scripts every now and then)

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

My point is that the second statement you presented can have the effect of evaluating emptiness of a Sequence (note: distinct from an Iterable), but that only holds true if the target of the conditional IS a sequence. I’m underlining the semantic difference that was elided as a result of falsey evaluation.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Ok, help a noob out. What is the difference between a sequence and an iterable? Is a sequence immutable, like a tuple?

[–] 48954246@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

An iterable is just something that can be iterated over, like range(10), or [1, 2, 3].

A sequence on the other hand is a Collection that is reversible.

https://docs.python.org/3/library/collections.abc.html#collections-abstract-base-classes

I know what an iterable is. But I am talking about Type[Iterable], which iirc does not obey falsey eval when empty.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

thing: Sequence[Any] iirc is iterable, indexable, and reversible.

thing: Iterable[Any] only guarantees that its iterable - and note that iterating can sometimes have the effect of consuming the iterable (e.g. when working with streaming interfaces)

[–] BlackRoseAmongThorns@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 weeks ago

Not really, generators have weird truthiness, i don't remember if they evaluate to true or false, but they cannot be checked for emptiness so they default to either always true or always false.

[–] gargolito@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago

Python likes giving lists.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

else: # not my list, it is ourlist