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Despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, Infosys co-founder Narayana Murthy has once again called for longer working weeks has returned, this time with an emphasis on schedules like the 996-pattern used in parts of China.

Murthy's comments revive a debate which began in 2024, when he argued that Indian employees should work 70 hours a week.

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[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 122 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (4 children)

There is a large body of research out there regarding 12h shift work in healthcare. I’m only linking 1 article, a quick search will yield more, easily.

A TLDR on it: 12h shifts decrease performance. Stacking them decreases safety and performance, cumulatively. Car accidents pick up significantly on day 4.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4629843/

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 72 points 14 hours ago (5 children)

It’s utter madness that healthcare professionals are allowed to work (in many countries) longer than truck drivers. It’s even more ridiculous that many countries have a medical doctor internship program that is designed by an absolute cocaine fiend assigning 30 hour days - and see nothing wrong with it.

[–] frizzo@piefed.social 4 points 6 hours ago

It's almost like the collective bargaining of a union works.

[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 4 points 8 hours ago

There’s less errors overall in having consistency in who healthcare reports off to between shifts. The 17% is balanced out by that (math wise). The errors in having 3 people reporting around an 8hr clock are significantly higher than with the 12hr clock.

But a 4th shift? Staying over to 16hrs? The 36hr week, I feel, is the extent to which you can safely take the 12h shift.

Additional madness is in that, in 26 states, the administrators of hospitals can hold shift workers over into double shifts. I don’t know about you, but I lose the capacity to read words around hour 18. Yet, this practice is engaged routinely in health care, without regard to sleep patterns. Maybe it is an 8h shift. Maybe that person spent day shift in school then went to work for an evening shift. Now is being held on their license to stay a night shift. And expected to drive home after more than 24hrs awake. Maybe their babysitter leaves at midnight. How good and safe is that patient care going to be?

[–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 10 hours ago

US: Truck driver crashing causes property damage, patients dieing causes the bed to open up for another paying customer.

Rest of the world: Shortages due to cost of education along with not enough spots available for said education.

[–] lectricleopard@lemmy.world 18 points 13 hours ago

Capitalism protects the capital (goods, and equipment, on a truck), and values human lives at approx $3 million (based on financial cost for the company when a life is lost).

The value of the truck and the contents of the trailer are frequently greater than the value of the driver for a given trip, and therefore justify more caution and care than any given patient in a doctor's office.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 5 points 10 hours ago

probably the shortage problems, and unwillingness for the industry to alleviate the problem. and the pipeline from college to health professional is long and grueling. MD IS heavily gatekeeped by the license certification association.

[–] Naich@lemmings.world 6 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Apparently it's about reducing shift changes, which is when most mistakes happen. You would have to hope that someone has done research into mistakes caused by fatigue vs. mistakes caused by shift changes.

[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 8 points 9 hours ago

In the healthcare environment that is true. 12h shifts retain consistency between back and forth reporting, while with 8hr shifts things get lost or missed or misinterpreted in the handoff.

My point is that 3 is the sweet spot, it’s the 4th and fifth shifts that become cumulatively bad and result in increased car accidents on the commute.

[–] Naich@lemmings.world 3 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Someone told me that the reason for 12 hour shifts is that most medical mistakes and accidents happen because of shift changes. Reducing the number of shift changes from 3 to 2 results in fewer mistakes, despite longer working hours.

[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 9 points 9 hours ago

This is true. It also results in less intershift rancor. But it doesn’t change the difficulties of 4th and 5th shifts in the same week.

I’m all for turning a 40hr/5day work week into a 36hr/3day work week. It works well in 24hr professions.

What I’m not for is this 996 nonsense.

[–] Azhad@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago

Not really, a huge cocaine user came up with the system, and we use it since then because "it's as we always have done it!!"

[–] Hylactor@sopuli.xyz 15 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

Am I missing the article link?

[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 3 points 8 hours ago

Yes, I failed to paste the copy. After a 12 hour shift.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4629843/

[–] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 14 hours ago

It's not showing on my client either, hopefully they edit their comment.