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answersplease77@lemmy.world wrote:
False. Instead they used an excacator to collapse part of the warehouse building (the rather large liftable door) on the victims' bodies, likely hoping to hide their deeds for a while. They were unaware that a journalist was filming them with a telephoto lens.
You are false. Watch the full video at 2:05 they brought a stretcher to take the bodies afterward:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=B7t-IGOokbU
and there have hundrends of bodies returned with missing organs. It's their standard protocol to take the bodies they execute same as this video too:
https://www.reddit.com/r/UnderReportedNews/comments/1oy9f94/israeli_soldiers_were_filmed_assaulting_a/
Stop bluffing, unless you know what it takes to get an organ successfully transplanted to someone. And I see you don't.
A really simple rule: if one would intend to get transplantable organs, one would not drop construction material on the person. One would transport the person to a hospital without any delay. Doctors would be the persons telling of which violations are happening.
As things are, both Israel and some other countries (Russia) have the habit of returning the bodies of some prisoners who died under suspicious circumstances without some organs. For example, an Ukrainian journalist's body was returned without her brain and throat. No, she's not living in another body, brain transplants are fantasy. She was likely strangled to death and organs removed to conceal torture.
I am currently under the impression that this practise serves the purpose of concealing torture (or other crimes) in several places, with one exception - China.
China has been credibly accused of actually harvesting organs from prisoners executed in prisons. This is feasible for them, since a prisoner after execution can be tested before they are killed, and is immediately available for dissection and cooling of organs, which can then be rushed to an airport for sending to the correct hospital. I have good reason to suspect it's happening. Needless to say, it's an extremely serious crime.
However, I have not heard of any successful (no matter whether voluntary or forced) organ donation from a person who experienced circulatory death in field conditions and was transported slowly from a considerable distance. Jenin is in the West Bank. Do you think doctors in the West Bank would accommodate a request from the IDF to remove, test and cool organs for from a shooting victim for transplantation? I don't think even Israeli doctors would.
If you think differently, I would like to see evidence.
As the thread tells us, IDF committed two war crimes: shooting prisoners and desecrating their bodies. There is no need to spread silly rumours on top of that. Reality is bad enough.
First, there are hundreds of pieces of evidence and doctor testimonies proving that the IOF have been organ harvesting their hostages.
Secondly regarding this case, I hope you're right and I hope the IOF are incapable of doing further crimes to these bodies. It's also a sad relief that the they just executed them instead of torturing them to death as the IOF have been doing to whoever they capture.
Hundreds aren't needed, a reference to maybe 3 highest credibility reports that you have, would be good to look at.
https://lemmy.world/comment/20435119
all this list of articles + look up the testomonies of doctors who worked in Gaza's docotrs without borders foundations on youtube. + Dr Ghassan Abu Sittah 's photos & testimony that he gave when he came back. Those are all UK, US, Australian doctors btw.. not Khhaamahuus. I know your lame butt is too cynical and too lazy to google this yourself. You see the list I gave you in that comment? at lesst 20 sources right there. It's not my issue if you are not convinced, and I will not do your homework.
You go do your research or choose to stuff your stinking propagonda you desprately try to spread despite the truth and hundrends of resources and testominies there up your brain and live with it.
Sure, get agitated and start name-calling me, that will help convince me and others.
Thanks for providing the link, however. I reviewed all the links you posted in that thread. Your claim does not have firm evidence.
Source 3 (trtworld): they suspect the possibility, but don't have firm evidence.
Source 5 (Middle East Eye) includes more information about who made the claim. The damage reported to the bodies is not consistent with removing an organ for transplantation.
Source 8 (Al Jazeera) describes damage more vividly. It is not consistent with organ removal for transplantation.
Now I will say what I think of it. I think your claim is untrue. The condition of the bodies proves torture and executions, but does not prove organ theft.
I additionally note: stolen organs don't disappear, they are received by someone in a narrow timeframe (which can be matched up later), and there has to be a story told to the recipient. Transplantation has to be done by a team of people. If a crime is being committed, it's pretty hard to make sure every team member stays silent. Later on, the transplanted organ continues to bear the genes of the person whom it belonged to. If doubt arises about the origin of the organ, genetic testing can confirm or deny a specific person, or give an ethnic profile of the donor, which can be narrowed down to find the family of the donor and ask them about their fate.
Oh prof. perrstorkia knows more than the doctors and photos and prisoner testimonies and photos of returned bodies are all lying. Read you smartbutt propagondist: JUST READ :
"The first observation is that, in all the bodies that organs were harvested or removed are those that are now routinely transplanted: the heart, lungs, liver, kidneys and corneas," Abu Sittah, who spent more than a month working in Gaza's hospitals during the war, said.
The method of extraction - the rib cage and ribs were clipped with a sharp saw - a medical saw, a bone saw - and the sternum, along with the central part of the ribs, was lifted to allow for the removal of the heart and lungs without damage to the organs being taken," he said, noting that the skin of all the victims appeared to be burnt by liquid nitrogen - a chemical used to preserve tissue.
"The essential point is there was no damage to the remaining organs, meaning the extraction was carried out surgically by an experienced surgeon."
Chillingly, Abu Sittah cited multiple testimonies from witnesses who said that the victims were alive at the time of extraction.
https://www.newarab.com/news/israel-returns-palestinian-bodies-organs-expertly-cut-out
Here is the problem Prof. surgeon perestokia , it's either you from your chair 5000 miles away who is right, or tell me theses surgeons and doctors and returned bodies and prisoners all lying. How many braincells do I need to choose between the two and expose who is the propagondist here?
And here is my last piece, you ready? Will you still believe it if an anatomist doctor from the IOF themselves tesitified about them organ harvesting palestinian hostages on video on the Israeli channel itself ???
https://www.newsweek.com/gigi-hadid-accusing-israel-organ-harvesting-1847006
https://yalibnan.com/2024/01/19/time-for-act-action-over-allegations-of-theft-of-human-organs-byisrael/
AND HERE IT IS ON VIDEO . Their doctors literally stating their policy of organ harvesting palestinian prisoners:
https://americasbestpics.com/video/source-israel-channel-2-tv-we-do-not-touch-soldiers-Erwvax91B
and since you only believe israelis, here is an Israeli lawyer verifying the testimonies of palestinains getting raped and tortured in prisons:.
https://youtube.com/shorts/WDZaawPhjKA
you still want evidence and think any crime is too far fetched from these nazi animals?
If you cannot provide a good source in your first post, screaming about others not believing you several posts later serves no purpose - you could have avoided that. If you want others to believe you, it's your job to convince them. Name-calling won't convince anyone.
Congratulations, I missed something - the article in "The New Arab" references the words of a medic and provides his name - dr Ghassan Abu Sittah. He is a reputable source.
This could have been your first post. Instead you posted a link to your own post on Lemmy, in which this was source no. 7 - which I, for some reason, missed.
You could have also posted a link to this article, but you have so far not done so.
Advise: learn to argue better. Drop the name-calling. Don't call a person a propagandist if they aren't. In the best case, you will stress yourself and the other person before getting to the core of information at hand. In a worse case, discussion will stop right there. Provide direct sources immediately. Prefer reputable sources. Don't provide a wall of links, but a relevant link.
You just spent 3 days to convince me that Israel could be guilty of organ harvesting. I am convinced, they could be guilty. But you could have used your time better, and could have convinced me with 30 minutes by providing direct links to relevant sources. For example, the below link might have convinced me of the plausibility of your allegations in even less time, maybe a mere 15 minutes - because it's from a reputable source (no background digging needed) and from a different period - not influenced by current events.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/dec/21/israeli-pathologists-harvested-organs
So, your claim is plausible. But don't claim to know the outcome of a particular incident if you don't know the outcome of a particular incident - people will think you're lying and ask you to prove stuff.
In reality, we don't currently know what happened to the remains of those 2 guys. What should matter more at this time - they were shot after surrendering.
your advise has always been my downfall and I admit that. most people shutdown as soon as I turn hostile against them or insult them. It's because I have nothing to gain whatever they choose to believe. I aslo agree with your conclusion that it is not definitive why they brought a sketcher and took the bodies afterward. I already told you I really hope thats the case. thank you regardless whether we agree or disagree take care.