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[–] bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works 64 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Bad Empanada with lunatic shit takes as always.

Politics are local. Change things locally first, before attempting world wide change.

Assuming the whole world even wants the change you want locally is an imperialist mindset.

Just tankies using their world revolution fantasies to not work towards actual change.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 30 points 3 days ago (1 children)

"The Nazis ate vegetables with their meals."

"If you sit down at the dinner table, and you eat vegetables -- then there is much less separating you from the Nazis than you think."

Even beyond the bullshitness of the idea that the Nazis were earnestly trying to give social services to people in their in-group, the problem with the Nazis was not that they did want certain services to be provided to certain people. The problem was those other things that they did, that were different from providing services.

[–] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The problem was those other things that they did, that were different from providing services.

And even when speaking specifically about services, the fact that they specifically wanted the outgroup to not have them. If you're actually against foreigners having these things, instead of simply focusing on getting them at home first, then Bad Empanada is right about you, but I don't think that person actually exists. Maybe Jackson Hinkle or someone thinks that.

[–] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 3 days ago (1 children)

And the Nazis very importantly did not want social services for everyone in their country. That was a big part of their platform.

[–] flandish@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

in group.

not country.

[–] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 days ago

Yeah, that's my point. The Nazis wanted social services for specific people within their jurisdiction. Socdems, or whomever Bad Empanada is complaining about, want social services for everyone in their jurisdiction.

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social -2 points 3 days ago

If I read his wiki correctly, I think BadEmpanada is legitimately speaking from his experiences in Fash Argentina & Australia.

I am not sure those nations even want to change their in-group oppressions.